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[zeek]

I read an excerpt of Ron DiSantis' book here :https://www.amazon.com/Dreams-Our-Fo...MJCYVCTPWN0NAK

But, I haven't bought the book so I don't know if it's true that he excuses the Three-Fifths Compromise in the U.S. Constitution, which counted a black person as only three-fifths of a whole person to determine congressional representation.

I read that DeSantis defends the founding fathers for agreeing to the compromise because “counting slaves as less than a full person for purposes of representation benefited anti-slavery states.” DeSantis supposedly maintains that allowing slaves to be counted as three-fifths of a white person gave slave states extra representation without having to actually allow black people to vote.

Sounds like he thinks the Constitution is inerrant and holding black slaves as less than fully persons was a good thing . That can't be true. Has anybody read his book?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

I read an excerpt of Ron DiSantis' book here :https://www.amazon.com/Dreams-Our-Fo...MJCYVCTPWN0NAK

But, I haven't bought the book so I don't know if it's true that he excuses the Three-Fifths Compromise in the U.S. Constitution, which counted a black person as only three-fifths of a whole person to determine congressional representation.

I read that DeSantis defends the founding fathers for agreeing to the compromise because “counting slaves as less than a full person for purposes of representation benefited anti-slavery states.” DeSantis supposedly maintains that allowing slaves to be counted as three-fifths of a white person gave slave states extra representation without having to actually allow black people to vote.

Sounds like he thinks the Constitution is inerrant and holding black slaves as less than fully persons was a good thing . That can't be true. Has anybody read his book?

zeek, I thought you wanted *honest* public servants who did not use office for personal gains?

Surely you can't still be supporting Gillum, who is under FBI investigation for ethical violations, bribes, and corruption.

#BELIEVEtheFBI

What do we know about the FBI cloud over Andrew Gillum's campaign?

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

zeek, I thought you wanted *honest* public servants who did not use office for personal gains?

Surely you can't still be supporting Gillum, who is under FBI investigation for ethical violations, bribes, and corruption.

#BELIEVEtheFBI

What do we know about the FBI cloud over Andrew Gillum's campaign?

Did you answer my question?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

Did you answer my question?

And then some!

[Ohio]

This is how the LEFT teaches to "love your neighbor":

Death Threats, Assaults, Vandalism: over 40 Acts of Left-Wing Thuggery in October, So Far…

And then zeek will lecture us to "love" the invading army of illegal "foreigners" at the border.

zeek, why do you and your ilk only love those who support your socialist ideology to overthrow our country?

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

This is how the LEFT teaches to "love your neighbor":

Death Threats, Assaults, Vandalism: over 40 Acts of Left-Wing Thuggery in October, So Far…

And then zeek will lecture us to "love" the invading army of illegal "foreigners" at the border.

zeek, why do you and your ilk only love those who support your socialist ideology to overthrow our country?

You wish to be accepted as an individual but I have to have an ilk. Why doesn't that seem fair?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

You wish to be accepted as an individual but I have to have an ilk. Why doesn't that seem fair?

If you would stop with the name-calling and accusations of idolatry, perhaps we could discuss the issues themselves.

The great US columnist Charles Krauthammer once noted this truth about contemporary political life in America: ‘To understand the workings of American politics you have to understand this fundamental law: Conservatives think liberals are stupid. Liberals think conservatives are evil.’

Herein lies the problem. Conservatives see the Left having only stupid and failing ideas. Liberals see the Right as having evil intentions and motives, and being evil people. Since those on the Right are evil, they are labeled "racists, xenophobes, misogynists, homophobes, supremacists, fascists, etc." whether there is evidence or not. I constantly hear this from the media and the posts I read.

This dynamic prevents the discussion of ideas on their merits. It also becomes justification for using any means necessary. This is extremely unfortunate, as it seems to be pushing us towards riots and violence. If the Left continues this way, then fringes on the Right will react in kind. I hope not, not just because I abhor the violence, but because I know that those who do not support the 2nd Amendment will get the worst of it.

In politics the "discussion of ideas" should take place in Congress. That is our American system. If the results are not satisfactory, then too bad, wait for the next election. When ObamaCare came before the SCOTUS, as much as I hated that legislation, I agreed with Chief Justice Roberts -- the law was enacted in Congress, signed by the elected President, and so be it. Let there be higher taxes.

Personally I think "gridlock" in Congress is a good thing. It's only bad when the POTUS then feels justified to enact Executive Orders, and the Courts become activist agents for change.