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[zeek]

Originally Posted by awareness

I guess I've been quite prescient. According to George Conway, at least :

George Conway: Republican Party has become a 'personality cult' under Trump

https://www.yahoo.com/news/george-co...130234835.html

You and George are just stating what is obvious to all except cult members.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by zeek

You and George are just stating what is obvious to all except cult members.

Cult members never see that they are in a cult. Tom Cruise doesn't see that he's in a cult. Trump cult followers will never admit that they are in a cult of personality. Those outside the cult can see it. But they can't.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

You and George are just stating what is obvious to all except cult members.

Why are you raining on his parade? Don't listen to Zeek Awareness, you were prescient, insightful, it reminds me of the OT saying "is Saul also among the prophets" but in this case "Is Awareness also among the prophets" (please don't tell me you have taken your clothes off and are now running around the neighborhood)

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Why are you raining on his parade? Don't listen to Zeek Awareness, you were prescient, insightful, it reminds me of the OT saying "is Saul also among the prophets" but in this case "Is Awareness also among the prophets" (please don't tell me you have taken your clothes off and are now running around the neighborhood)

Well if the prophets strip naked, I'll join them.

[awareness]

Ivanka Trump, Trump's eldest daughter and an official adviser, used her personal email account for government business hundreds of times last year in violation of federal records rules.

Lock her up! Lock her up! Lock her up!

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

Ivanka Trump, Trump's eldest daughter and an official adviser, used her personal email account for government business hundreds of times last year in violation of federal records rules.

Lock her up! Lock her up! Lock her up!

I am pretty sure that if this is the full extent of the violation it will warrant a fine at most.

I assume that this is somehow related to the chant of "lock her up" directed at Hillary Clinton who, unlike this case, was accused of using her foundation to illegally funnel money to herself from world leaders (both an abuse of power, fraud, and tax evasion) and used a private email to bypass the oversight that was set up to protect against just this thing (obstruction of justice) and then destroyed the evidence (also obstruction of justice).

So unless you are also claiming fraud, abuse of power and obstruction of justice for Ivanka I hardly see how the two are related.

One other contrast, Hillary was a career politician fully aware of the laws and protocols, especially since she was Secretary of State, dealt with documents of the highest security and had to believe the Russians and Chinese wanted to hack into her server. Putting these documents in a less secure server put the entire US at risk and was incredibly irresponsible, nor could we believe that this wasn't an intentional act on her part. Ivanka, by contrast, was a novice and was not dealing with State secrets.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I am pretty sure that if this is the full extent of the violation it will warrant a fine at most.

I assume that this is somehow related to the chant of "lock her up" directed at Hillary Clinton.

They are still chanting Lock Her Up at Trump rally's. The problem is that they found nothing she could arrested for.

Lock her up was just one of Trump's catchy slogans, like drain the swamp, which he even admitted was ridiculous. All his slogans are ridiculous.

But he made Hillary's emails a big deal. Even asking Putin to hack into them ; while it was common a common practice, as Colin Powell and Condi Rice used the private email servers.

So if Hillary was a big deal to Trump, so should the emails be for Trump's daughter wife.

Lock 'em both up.
.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

They are still chanting Lock Her Up at Trump rally's. The problem is that they found nothing she could arrested for.

Lock her up was just one of Trump's catchy slogans, like drain the swamp, which he even admitted was ridiculous. All his slogans are ridiculous.

But he made Hillary's emails a big deal. Even asking Putin to hack into them ; while it was common a common practice, as Colin Powell and Condi Rice used the private email servers.

So if Hillary was a big deal to Trump, so should the emails be for Trump's daughter wife.

Lock 'em both up.
.

That is faulty logic. If you claim that Trump was ridiculous for his "lock her up" chant then you condemn yourself. Instead you should ask "Will Trump call for Ivanka to be locked up?"

[ZNPaaneah]

Public schools began after the Civil war. Prior to this a locality, generally organized around the church, would hire their own teacher to teach the kids to read and do simple arithmetic. Often the Bible was used as the reader.

After Public schools were formed you have people of different faiths and they didn't want their kids being taught the Bible by this teacher.

So instead the theory grew that what we need are "graded readers". These are books that are designed with a "3rd grade" reading level, or "4th grade" reading level, etc. For example, Charlotte's web has a 4th grade reading level (perhaps the very best of these, which is why we all read this book).

However, one of the results of this is that kids read "simplified texts" throughout school. Even now, in High school I look at the books kids are being given to read and they are very simple. These books are not "great works" of fiction and non fiction. Instead they are two dimensional, obvious, and simplistic. Little wonder that the result is kids don't like to read and after going through this education are not able to handle complex thought. This was in full evidence over the last few years to anyone following the "common core" debate where colleges were complaining that students were coming in unprepared. This debate focused around "argumentative essays" where students need to understand the difference between "claims" and "counter claims" and learn how to weigh the two.

Likewise when we read the writings of the Colonialists in the 1700s (the Federalist papers, Constitution, and Declaration of Independence) we can see a much richer writing and reasoning. The thought is nuanced, complex, and very considerate of both the claims and counterclaims.

We don't see this (simple, childish, graded readers being used in HS) in the suburbs because the parents are much more concerned about their kids learning to read at a young age, hiring tutors if there is a problem, and filling their homes with books. In the best HS's you will see many students operating at a college level. Likewise, in homes where the parents have a college education, they also understand and invest in this task of teaching kids to read at a young age. In contrast I saw a woman, quite young, complaining on the TV that her 18 year old son had graduated HS without learning to read. I was stunned, where were you when he was 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6? This woman thought that you just deliver a child to the school system and 12 years later they are educated, whereas that is not the thought in the suburbs. They understand that parents are responsible for their child's education.

So then, anyone concerned by the politics of the last few years and the conduct of the electorate needs to understand that the simplicity and foolishness of the American voter can be directly tied to the simplicity and foolishness of the books used to educate them.