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[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

So it's fine if our president is a compulsive liar, and a felon, as long as he does agreeable policy?

How many times did I tell you that all politicians are liars and crooks. If you make that the standard, there would be no leaders.

Accusing Trump of being a felon is a serious charge. Now you have become a "compulsive liar" too.

Originally Posted by awareness

I don't know the LEFT like you obviously do. The way you make 'em sound, they're creepy and loony.

Perhaps you are finally starting to get the message?

Originally Posted by awareness

And I'm not surprised that a nation that committed genocide against Native Americans

More lies. Has this become your compulsive habit?

I really wish you would get your history right. Study the plight of Native Americans and African Americans under the Presidency of Andrew Jackson and the Democratic Party. IF YOU DARE. Read what Jackson did to the Indians. Did you know that not one single Republican ever owned a slave? Both the Northern and the Southern Democrats stood against the emancipation of the Black man in the 13th Amend.

The crimes against Indians and Blacks were NOT committed by "White Man" or "Americans" but the Democrat Party. It was Jacksonian Democrats on the SCOTUS which gave us that horrible Dred Scott decision in 1857 which helped precipitate the Civil War, the bloodiest war in history.

It's bad enough that your facts of history are all wrong, but when you repeat them they become your lies too.

Same goes with Israel and the plight of the Palestinians. It is the Iranians who are committing genocide on the Palestinian people. What Hamas has done to the Gaza strip is horrible. Go ask those people who treats them better, Israel of Hamas.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

The crimes against Indians and Blacks were NOT committed by "White Man" or "Americans" but the Democrat Party.

So all our founding fathers were democrats? Cool. Where were the republicans? The demmies founded our nation. Yea Demmies!

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

So all our founding fathers were democrats? Cool. Where were the republicans?

They were the abolitionists fighting slavery.

The Democrats were covering themselves with the claims of personal liberty (meaning they have the right to own slaves) and State's rights (meaning the US govt can't tell us it is wrong to own slaves).

The Republicans were saying we need to be one country and it was obvious that we were not and could not be a country of slave holders.

[awareness]

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[awareness]

Okay, you seem to be hung up on me refuting your facts. It's not that I can't refute them, it's that I don't have the will. It seems to be an exercise in futility. But okay, if you insist.

Originally Posted by Ohio

How many times did I tell you that all politicians are liars and crooks. If you make that the standard, there would be no leaders.

But Trump is a liar on steroids. In fact, he's credited with the reason for a new Pinocchio rating. Earning the coveted The Bottomless Pinocchio.

Originally Posted by Ohio

Accusing Trump of being a felon is a serious charge. Now you have become a "compulsive liar" too.

Violations of campaign finance law is a felony. Trump's got two of them : Stormy and McDougal. Sorry. No lying there.

Originally Posted by Ohio

Perhaps you are finally starting to get the message?

I know. With all the smoke and mirrors it's hard to see.

Originally Posted by Ohio

More lies. Has this become your compulsive habit?

I see you've been taking lessons from Trump : accuse others of what you are doing. Now Trump is calling everyone liars, like Cohen and Comey ; and also Pecker. So who's lying?

Originally Posted by Ohio

I really wish you would get your history right. Study the plight of Native Americans and African Americans under the Presidency of Andrew Jackson and the Democratic Party. IF YOU DARE. Read what Jackson did to the Indians. Did you know that not one single Republican ever owned a slave? Both the Northern and the Southern Democrats stood against the emancipation of the Black man in the 13th Amend.
The crimes against Indians and Blacks were NOT committed by "White Man" or "Americans" but the Democrat Party.

This is where it seemed to be an exercise in futility. Your superimposition of your bipolar politics shades your views on history. Since you believe that democrats are bad, and republicans are good, every bad thing in history had to be done by democrats, and every good thing by republicans. I think you're just caught up in confirmation bias and don't recognize it.

As I've pointed out already, that means, that by your bipolar logic, our slaveholding founders must have been democrats. That's how laughable your bipolar view of history is.

And I hate Andrew Jackson. By your bipolar logic that makes me a republican.

Originally Posted by Ohio

It's bad enough that your facts of history are all wrong, but when you repeat them they become your lies too.

Okay. You've successfully changed the subject from our lying crooked President to me. Good one bro Ohio.

Originally Posted by Ohio

Same goes with Israel and the plight of the Palestinians. It is the Iranians who are committing genocide on the Palestinian people. What Hamas has done to the Gaza strip is horrible. Go ask those people who treats them better, Israel of Hamas.

Now you've struck a nerve. Any Christian that supports or excuses what Israel is doing to the Palestinians, is giving Jesus a bad name, and isn't worth the name Christian.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Violations of campaign finance law is a felony. Trump's got two of them : Stormy and McDougal. Sorry. No lying there.

Sorry, but you've been lied to by the media. They deserve this: Earning the coveted The Bottomless Pinocchio.

Obama faced a fine for Campaign Finance violations. Did he pay it?

John Edwards paid off a scandal just like Trump. He beat the charge easily. All Trump has to prove is that he paid the hush money to protect his reputation. But the media has convinced you that Michael Cohen is an honest witness. Good luck with that.

Wait a minute here. What happened to Russian Collusion? What happened to Obstruction of Justice? What happened to vindication for Comey? You and the Media have been crying foul for two years over that. Muller will find Collusion! Muller will find Obstruction! What happened? Tell me who is lying here?

And after all this -- $50 million and two years of Mueller Witch Hunts -- all they got is Stormy and the Bunny? And Stormy has to pay Trump's legal bills? And Avenatti is broke and discredited? So much for creepy Porn Lawyers. And it was you who told me that 98.6% of Lawyers give the rest of them a bad name. You should know better!

Avenatti 2020, your last hope for redemption, has gone down in flames.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Sorry, but you've been lied to by the media.

But the media is not lying to you? How is it that you are so special, getting privileged media all others don't get?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

But the media is not lying to you? How is it that you are so special, getting privileged media all others don't get?

Here's a guy who has studied history, it's only 4 minutes long . . .

D'Souza spars with student over "white privilege"

awareness, you seem to be interested in the plight of Native Americans and African Americans. You owe it to yourself to research the actual facts of history, and not how history has been rewritten to fit an agenda.

This is essentially what I had to do with church history after I left the LC. I read the actual events of church history, so that I could be purged of the leaven of Lee.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Here's a guy who has studied history, it's only 4 minutes long . . .

D'Souza spars with student over "white privilege"

Is that where you get your inside infomation? D'Souza? That explains it.

Originally Posted by Ohio

awareness, you seem to be interested in the plight of Native Americans and African Americans. You owe it to yourself to research the actual facts of history, and not how history has been rewritten to fit an agenda.

It's not like I don't know that the slave states were democrats. I realized that the demmies were bad. And not great today either.

But now, today, the slaves states are mostly republican.

I saw that happen to my extended family. Back before they were driven out of between the rivers -- by JFK, btw -- they were democrats. Now they're all Fox News republicans.

I know Kentucky didn't secede from the union, but they sure had plenty of Jim Crow laws, and Black Code laws, back when they were democrats. Now they're republicans that don't like blacks. The democrats today? Not so much.

By the way, you've been insulting my ancestors. My daddy was a democrat. But would have switched over president Blackenstein.

Originally Posted by Ohiio

This is essentially what I had to do with church history after I left the LC. I read the actual events of church history, so that I could be purged of the leaven of Lee.

I've been repeatedly impressed with your study of recent church history, other than that of Lee, or even of Miller's Church History, that Lee thought a lot of.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

It's not like I don't know that the slave states were democrats. I realized that the demmies were bad. And not great today either.

But now, today, the slaves states are mostly republican.

The issue is that the leaders are afraid to speak the truth. The Democrats appeal to the bottom two thirds of the country, but it is a major disinformation campaign. For the last 100 years they have been doing their best to keep the US from going Socialist. We are run by big business and corporate interests, so the Democrats are there to placate the masses and keep them from going socialist. Obamacare is a socialist agenda (no accident that it is being undone). Bernie is a socialist agenda (look at how the Democrats stabbed him in the back). Ocasio is a socialist. The socialists have been gaining ground inch by hard fought inch. It is amazing how little progress they have made given the superficial appearance of a democracy. (If the poorest 2/3 knew what was going on they would vote for a socialist agenda).


1. Turn off the poorest people from voting.
2. Destroy public education with the wonderfully coined "no child left behind" policy.

3. Arrest as many poor as possible, giving them felonies and disqualifying them from voting.

4. Allow unlimited campaign funds so that the rich have a bigger voice
and
5. lie, lie, lie.


Hillary Clinton knows exactly what the deal is.


But the lies are equally on the Republicans side. Trump is all gung ho for a wall and yet has an undocumented worker making his bed. Doesn't seem to make sense till you really understand the meaning of the wall: Don't complain about how I am treating you or else I'll deport you.


It is major corporations and Republican backers that bring in the illegal aliens to "do the jobs Americans don't want to do". But they need strict immigration laws to prevent these workers from thinking they have rights.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Is that where you get your inside infomation? D'Souza? That explains it.

It's not like I don't know that the slave states were democrats. I realized that the demmies were bad. And not great today either.

But now, today, the slaves states are mostly republican.

I saw that happen to my extended family. Back before they were driven out of between the rivers -- by JFK, btw -- they were democrats. Now they're all Fox News republicans.

You should study the causes. It's not Fox News. JFK Democrats are now Republicans. Perhaps they discovered who the Dems really were.

You write off D'Sousa, yet can't refute his message. That's telling.

Reminds me of people who reject the Bible cause it's "all lies."

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Wait a minute here What happened to Russian Collusion? What happened to Obstruction of Justice? What happened to vindication for Comey? You and the Media have been crying foul for two years over that. Muller will find Collusion! Muller will find Obstruction! What happened? Tell me who is lying here?.

Mueller details how Roger Stone, who the special counsel notes was in frequent contact with Donald Trump and senior campaign officials, directed Corsi to connect with WikiLeaks about the trove of stolen materials it received from Russia. Corsi subsequently communicated WikiLeaks’ release plan back to Stone, and the Trump campaign built its final message around the email release. That is collusion.

Second, we now know that Trump’s personal lawyer Michael Cohen and former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn have provided evidence to Mueller related to collusion. In Cohen’s sentencing memo, Mueller said that Cohen provided his office with “useful information” on “Russia-related matters core to its investigation.” One of those central elements, according to the Justice Department: “any links and/or coordination” between the Kremlin and Trump campaign figures. Collusion, in other words.

Third, Mueller has found evidence that Trump was compromised by a hostile foreign power during the election. In his plea deal, Cohen revealed that Trump had repeatedly lied to voters about the then-candidate’s financial ties to Russia. While Trump claimed during the campaign to have no business dealings with Russia, he was negotiating a wildly lucrative business deal not simply with Russian businessmen, but also involving with the Kremlin itself. Trump’s team even reportedly tried to bribe Russian President Vladimir Putin by offering him a $50 million penthouse.
Worse, Russia not only knew that Trump was lying, but when investigators first started looking into this deal, the Kremlin helped Trump cover up what really happened. That made Trump doubly compromised: first, because he was eager to get the financial payout and second because Russia had evidence he was lying to the American people—evidence they could have held over Trump by threatening to reveal at any time.

The Cohen conviction is clear evidence that Trump committed a felony. You cannot instruct someone else to commit a felony for you. Doing that makes you equally culpable.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

The Cohen conviction is clear evidence that Trump committed a felony. You cannot instruct someone else to commit a felony for you. Doing that makes you equally culpable.

Seriously?

Michael Cohen is the lawyer here. He is the expert on the law. He went to law school. Trump is a business man. Trump hires lawyers because they know the law. Wiki says about Cohen, "His uncle is a family practitioner who gave medical aid to members of the Lucchese crime family. Before joining the Trump Organization, Cohen had purchased several homes in Trump's buildings. A 2017 New York Times article reported that Cohen is known for having "a penchant for luxury"; he was married at The Pierre, drove a Porsche while attending college, and once owned a Bentley."

Sounds to me like plain old greed got the best of Cohen. Like Manafort, Cohen didn't pay his taxes. Name me one lawyer who illegally records conversations with his client. Cohen is a bad actor. Muller used him, and spit him out.

Now you are telling us that Trump is guilty because his lawyer broke the law.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Seriously?

Michael Cohen is the lawyer here. He is the expert on the law. He went to law school. Trump is a business man. Trump hires lawyers because they know the law. Wiki says about Cohen, "His uncle is a family practitioner who gave medical aid to members of the Lucchese crime family. Before joining the Trump Organization, Cohen had purchased several homes in Trump's buildings. A 2017 New York Times article reported that Cohen is known for having "a penchant for luxury"; he was married at The Pierre, drove a Porsche while attending college, and once owned a Bentley."

Sounds to me like plain old greed got the best of Cohen. Like Manafort, Cohen didn't pay his taxes. Name me one lawyer who illegally records conversations with his client. Cohen is a bad actor. Muller used him, and spit him out.

Now you are telling us that Trump is guilty because his lawyer broke the law.

Yes, seriously. If the "Don" orders a hit, he cannot then claim, hey my hit man was trained by the US military and was an expert. You cannot direct an employee to commit a crime, and then pretend to not be responsible or know about it.


A jury is now going to have to decide if Trump's decision to hide this right before the election was to protect his family, his business, or his political ambition. Cohen's testimony, the Enquirer's testimony and the timeline all would move me to see this as a crime. The many falsehoods spoken by Trump would definitely damage his credibility to me.


I cannot possibly believe that Cohen and the National Enquirer would do this without Trump being a knowing beneficiary.


The fact that Cohen was a lawyer ("an expert of the law") eliminates any pretense of "oops, my mistake, didn't know".

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Yes, seriously. If the "Don" orders a hit, he cannot then claim, hey my hit man was trained by the US military and was an expert. You cannot direct an employee to commit a crime, and then pretend to not be responsible or know about it.

Terrible example. Far more people have died as a result of the Clintonistas. Name me one person who has died suspiciously or disappeared because of Trump. I could post lists of suspicious Clinton deaths, but obviously "lists" don't work well here.

Lawyers like Cohen are supposed to abide by the law. I guess that's too difficult to understand.

Comparing Trump to a mafia Don is way out of line, but understandable, knowing today's media climate.