LGBTQ, in LC and Beyond.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Trapped

Okay, sure, that seems pretty straightforward. Do you come across many people who think divorces, cheating, incest, pedophilia, etc, are appropriate and healthy for heterosexuals though? I don't know of anyone who has said that here on the forum, and as I'm thinking about it, I don't know of anyone even in my LIFE who has said anything like that! Are there debates and disagreements out there that these things are healthy??

Perhaps you have not heard about this recent legislation in California ...

Kamala Harris together with California State senator Scott Wiener sponsored the most disgusting & terrifying bill SB-145 that just got passed into law in California which makes it perfectly legal for a 24 year old to have sex with a 14 year old. As long as the age difference isn't more than 10 years and the minor consents it's perfectly fine!! In order words, an adult can have sex with any child as long as the age difference is not more than 10 years. And Scott Wiener is not married and does not have a kid, but claims to know what is good for your kids. Yes, you read that right, pedophilia is perfectly legal in the state of California thanks to Scott Wiener and Kamala Harris.

Not only did Kamala jail pot-smokers and then laugh about it with Charlamagne, she has now legalized what society had condemned Michael Jackson and Jeffrey Epstein for doing.

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Perhaps you have not heard about this recent legislation in California ...

Not only did Kamala jail pot-smokers and then laugh about it with Charlamagne, she has now legalized what society had condemned Michael Jackson for doing.

Did it get passed into law? What I read said it was headed to the gov's desk. (and it appears to reduce penalties, not make it legal)

SACRAMENTO (KUSI) September 4 – A California bill that would lower penalties for sexual relations with minors is heading to Governor Newsom’s desk.

SB 145 passed both legislative houses, and would remove the requirement for offenders to register as a sex offender after committing certain sex acts with minors within a 10-year age difference.

The legislation applies in cases where the victim is aged between 14 and 17 years old. It also tries to remove existing the registration requirement for having oral and anal sex.

Both the California state senate and assembly voted to approve SB 145, which had Republican opposition in the Senate and even bipartisan opposition in the assembly.

SB 145 was introduced by State Senator Scott Weiner, says it was designed to treat LGBT offenders the same as heterosexual offenders. Weiner cites a similar exemption already in place from mandatory registration for partners of a similar age difference.

“If signed into law, a 24-year-old could have sexual relations with a 15-year-old child without being required to register as a sex offender,” Senate Republican Leader Shannon Grove tweeted Tuesday.

SEE HERE

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

Did it get passed into law? What I read said it was headed to the gov's desk. (and it appears to reduce penalties, not make it legal)

CA Governor Newsom signed it into law on 9/11.

Did you hear Michael Jackson and Jeffrey Epstein holler from the grave, "why only ten years?"

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by Ohio

CA Governor Newsom signed it into law on 9/11

Yes, I saw that afterward. In the extreme, a 24 year old could have "consensual" homosexual sex with a 14 year old, and they won't have to register as a sex offender. Previously (as I understand it), in a different sex situation, the adult didn't have to register as a sex offender, and now this also applies to homosexual situations . . . again, potentially between a 24 and 14 year old.

Is this correct?

If so, I can more fully see what some warned us about - what a slippery slope we're sliding down now!

[SerenityLives]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

Yes, I saw that afterward. In the extreme, a 24 year old could have "consensual" homosexual sex with a 14 year old, and they won't have to register as a sex offender. Previously (as I understand it), in a different sex situation, the adult didn't have to register as a sex offender, and now this also applies to homosexual situations . . . again, potentially between a 24 and 14 year old.

Is this correct?

If so, I can more fully see what some warned us about - what a slippery slope we're sliding down now!

“Before SB-145, an 18-year-old male convicted of having oral or anal sex with a 17-year-old male would be required to register as a sex offender, while a 24-year-old male convicted of having penile-vaginal sex with a 15-year-old female would not be automatically required to register – it would be left up to the judge”.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill...lifornia%3famp

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.abc...0-c745cad03c80

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usa...amp/3456171001

Anyways, this is concerning since I live in California.

Okay reading further into the bill, I can see why it was changed:” One thing that appears to have been lost in this discussion and is obscured by the comments Gonzalez, Bry and Faulconer have made: Sex with a 14-year-old is illegal. It was illegal before SB 145, and it remains illegal now.

SB 145 addresses a disparity in the law specifically with regard to whether people who commit sexual offenses must also register as a sex offender.

Before SB 145, the law treated statutory rape cases – in which the victim is between 14 and 17 and the perpetrator is between the ages of 18 and 24 and within 10 years of a victim’s age – differently depending on whether the people involved were gay or straight. In cases involving vaginal penetration, a judge had the discretion to decide whether the perpetrator should be placed on the sex offender registry; but in cases involving anal or oral intercourse, common forms of sexual intercourse for gay couples, the sex offender registry was mandatory. SB 145 allows the same judicial discretion for all cases.

Sen. Scott Weiner, who is gay and wrote the bill, said this bill is about equal treatment under the law.

“An 18-year-old having sexual intercourse with a 17-year-old is different than a 24-year-old teacher having sex with a 14-year-old student. Most judges in that case would say that person would go on the registry because there’s a power imbalance and it’s never appropriate,” he said.

Wiener said the fact that the law treats sex crimes in which there’s an age gap of 10 or fewer years differently is a separate issue that would require another bill to address.

“It’s important to distinguish the broader structure of sex offender registry. People can have whatever views they want about the 10-year discretionary standard,” Weiner said. “It’s a separate issue regardless of what structure. It is what it’s been for 76 years. The question is: Should gay people be treated the same as straight people? Our equality should not be conditioned on making some broader change to the sex offender registry.”

Dan Felizzatto, a deputy district attorney in the Los Angeles County DA’s office, echoed that statement and said legislators could introduce new legislation to change how that 10-year age gap is addressed, but thinks expanding the registry would pose its own challenges. He said law enforcement wants to be able to use the sex offender registry as it was originally intended – as an investigatory tool and to monitor serial predators.

Rick Zbur, Equality California’s executive director, said it’s been common throughout the struggle for LGBTQ rights for opponents to advance a narrative that LGBTQ individuals are deviants or predators.”

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by SerenityLives

“Before SB-145, an 18-year-old male convicted of having oral or anal sex with a 17-year-old male would be required to register as a sex offender, while a 24-year-old male convicted of having penile-vaginal sex with a 15-year-old female would not be automatically required to register – it would be left up to the judge”.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill...lifornia%3famp

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.abc...0-c745cad03c80

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usa...amp/3456171001

Anyways, this is concerning since I live in California.

Okay reading further into the bill, I can see why it was changed:” One thing that appears to have been lost in this discussion and is obscured by the comments Gonzalez, Bry and Faulconer have made: Sex with a 14-year-old is illegal. It was illegal before SB 145, and it remains illegal now.

SB 145 addresses a disparity in the law specifically with regard to whether people who commit sexual offenses must also register as a sex offender.

Before SB 145, the law treated statutory rape cases – in which the victim is between 14 and 17 and the perpetrator is between the ages of 18 and 24 and within 10 years of a victim’s age – differently depending on whether the people involved were gay or straight. In cases involving vaginal penetration, a judge had the discretion to decide whether the perpetrator should be placed on the sex offender registry; but in cases involving anal or oral intercourse, common forms of sexual intercourse for gay couples, the sex offender registry was mandatory. SB 145 allows the same judicial discretion for all cases.

Sen. Scott Weiner, who is gay and wrote the bill, said this bill is about equal treatment under the law.

“An 18-year-old having sexual intercourse with a 17-year-old is different than a 24-year-old teacher having sex with a 14-year-old student. Most judges in that case would say that person would go on the registry because there’s a power imbalance and it’s never appropriate,” he said.

Wiener said the fact that the law treats sex crimes in which there’s an age gap of 10 or fewer years differently is a separate issue that would require another bill to address.

“It’s important to distinguish the broader structure of sex offender registry. People can have whatever views they want about the 10-year discretionary standard,” Weiner said. “It’s a separate issue regardless of what structure. It is what it’s been for 76 years. The question is: Should gay people be treated the same as straight people? Our equality should not be conditioned on making some broader change to the sex offender registry.”

Dan Felizzatto, a deputy district attorney in the Los Angeles County DA’s office, echoed that statement and said legislators could introduce new legislation to change how that 10-year age gap is addressed, but thinks expanding the registry would pose its own challenges. He said law enforcement wants to be able to use the sex offender registry as it was originally intended – as an investigatory tool and to monitor serial predators.

Rick Zbur, Equality California’s executive director, said it’s been common throughout the struggle for LGBTQ rights for opponents to advance a narrative that LGBTQ individuals are deviants or predators.”

Every adult over 18 years knows that sex with a minor is against the law.

Originally Posted by Ohio

Every adult over 18 years knows that sex with a minor is against the law.

As a therapist in California, as a mandated reporter for child abuse, I dont have to report if a 15 year old is having sex with a 20 year old. The cut off is 14 years old. So your legality claims are wrong. Now, if it’s a matter of ethics and morality, thats a different issue. Some laws are unethical. Ethics and law are not necessarily not always on same page.

[clever sister]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Every adult over 18 years knows that sex with a minor is against the law.

When did this become an discussion about the age of consent???