LGBTQ, in LC and Beyond.

I don’t get it. Why are you guys so fixated on people’s sexual orientation when you should be worried about your lives passing by? Why do people isolate each other’s differences such as the color of their skin, their race, or love interest? Like what business do you have with that?

If being gay is a choice, then why can’t Ohio suck and kiss awareness all over?

The notion that just because a person has a choice whether to engage in gay sex and some made that choice, therefore homosexuality is a choice is just frankly a ridiculous conclusion that’s not backed by anything.

It’s not exactly false that same sex behavior is in cases a choice, but first, we must make the distinction between same sex behavior and same-sex attraction.

Even if sexual behavior is purely a choice, sexual orientation, which is the state of being gay and the impulses that they feel are certainly not choices, for the simple reason that we only choose to act and our actions are influenced by our own desires. Hence, sexual desire for one type of person is not chosen, but sexual behavior is.

And this is a viewpoint held by both the American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association.

[SerenityLives]

Originally Posted by Love

I don’t get it. Why are you guys so fixated on people’s sexual orientation when you should be worried about your lives passing by? Why do people isolate each other’s differences such as the color of their skin, their race, or love interest? Like what business do you have with that?

If being gay is a choice, then why can’t Ohio suck and kiss awareness all over?

The notion that just because a person has a choice whether to engage in gay sex and some made that choice, therefore homosexuality is a choice is just frankly a ridiculous conclusion that’s not backed by anything.

It’s not exactly false that same sex behavior is in cases a choice, but first, we must make the distinction between same sex behavior and same-sex attraction.

Even if sexual behavior is purely a choice, sexual orientation, which is the state of being gay and the impulses that they feel are certainly not choices, for the simple reason that we only choose to act and our actions are influenced by our own desires. Hence, sexual desire for one type of person is not chosen, but sexual behavior is.

And this is a viewpoint held by both the American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association.

It’s the same thing as asking a straight person to not marry and have kids.

[Trapped]

Originally Posted by Love

I don’t get it. Why are you guys so fixated on people’s sexual orientation when you should be worried about your lives passing by? Why do people isolate each other’s differences such as the color of their skin, their race, or love interest? Like what business do you have with that?

If being gay is a choice, then why can’t Ohio suck and kiss awareness all over?

The notion that just because a person has a choice whether to engage in gay sex and some made that choice, therefore homosexuality is a choice is just frankly a ridiculous conclusion that’s not backed by anything.

It’s not exactly false that same sex behavior is in cases a choice, but first, we must make the distinction between same sex behavior and same-sex attraction.

Even if sexual behavior is purely a choice, sexual orientation, which is the state of being gay and the impulses that they feel are certainly not choices, for the simple reason that we only choose to act and our actions are influenced by our own desires. Hence, sexual desire for one type of person is not chosen, but sexual behavior is.

And this is a viewpoint held by both the American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association.

The distinction between desire/attraction and actions is one I've made over and over on these two threads. I agree with you that it is ridiculous to conclude that just because homosexual sex is a choice, then homosexual attractions are also a choice. I am heterosexual and have attractions all day long, but don't jump into the actions. Attractions and actions are different things.

I totally agree that sexual desire for one type of person is not chosen, but sexual behavior is.

Originally Posted by Trapped

The distinction between desire/attraction and actions is one I've made over and over on these two threads. I agree with you that it is ridiculous to conclude that just because homosexual sex is a choice, then homosexual attractions are also a choice. I am heterosexual and have attractions all day long, but don't jump into the actions. Attractions and actions are different things.

I totally agree that sexual desire for one type of person is not chosen, but sexual behavior is.

No, bro. You don’t get it. I just said that it’s ridiculous to say that homosexual attraction is a choice. Really? If being homosexual is a choice, why don’t you just suck a guy’s crotch?

Yeah, but I’m not telling you to stop making love with your wife. Now who would ask that? Illogical people.

This is Trapped......I'm just adding this line to show that anyone who is not logged in can edit your posts if you post without a registered username.

[Trapped]

No, wait, Love, we are in agreement. I don't think you read carefully what I said....not sure. My statement was this: "I agree with you that it is ridiculous to conclude that just because homosexual sex is a choice, then homosexual attractions are also a choice."

I said that it's ridiculous to say that just because we can choose to have sex, means that we can choose who we are attracted to. I'm totally agreeing with you that attractions are NOT a choice. I don't know how much more clear to say it.

Thanks for the suggestion to suck things though. We are literally in 100% agreement.....not sure why you reacted that way.

Also, check your last post to me. I added a line to the end of your post. I noticed that if I am not logged in, then I (and ostensibly anyone) has the ability to edit your post. Your contributions are valuable; I think it would be great if you did register, if only just so no one can edit your posts and claim you said something you didn't say.

And by the way, you are talking to someone who hasn't had sex yet, for way more years than I thought I'd have to suffer through, and I think about that fact every morning when I wake up and every night when I go to sleep. I know exactly what is being asked.

[SerenityLives]

Originally Posted by Love

This is Trapped......I'm just adding this line to show that anyone who is not logged in can edit your posts if you post without a registered username.

Why dont you go and edit Unregistered’s posts, whom her ideas you agree with? Leave the anonymous alone. Some people dont want to get registered for multiple reasons.

[Trapped]

Originally Posted by SerenityLives

Why dont you go and edit Unregistered’s posts, whom her ideas you agree with? Leave the anonymous alone. Some people dont want to get registered for multiple reasons.

SerenityLives, I have no desire to go around editing anyone's posts. I didn't change what Love said, just added to it so I could best show what I was trying to describe and what was possible. Don't tell me to "leave the anonymous alone" when I have only made the suggestion one time, and it was polite as can be.

I'm not harassing, I'm not berating, I'm not condemning her. I just noticed a strange glitch and just wanted to make sure she was aware of it in case it factored into her continued decision to stay unregistered. Please don't get into the weird vibe that's currently on the forum where everyone is taking offense at everyone. I don't understand what's going on, to be honest.

[SerenityLives]

Originally Posted by Trapped

SerenityLives, I have no desire to go around editing anyone's posts. I didn't change what Love said, just added to it so I could best show what I was trying to describe and what was possible. Don't tell me to "leave the anonymous alone" when I have only made the suggestion one time, and it was polite as can be.

I'm not harassing, I'm not berating, I'm not condemning her. I just noticed a strange glitch and just wanted to make sure she was aware of it in case it factored into her continued decision to stay unregistered. Please don't get into the weird vibe that's currently on the forum where everyone is taking offense at everyone. I don't understand what's going on, to be honest.

I know you have made the suggestion only one time, but others keep telling them to register. It’s her decision ultimately. Adding to others responses may seem innocuous but you are still changing it. Like adding verses to the bible. I’m just trying to protect the interests of the new younger sisters on here, because they havent been treated well by others, esp on the main forum. I’m sure we’re on the same page.

[Trapped]

Originally Posted by SerenityLives

I know you have made the suggestion only one time, but others keep telling them to register. It’s her decision ultimately. Adding to others responses may seem innocuous but you are still changing it. Like adding verses to the bible. I’m just trying to protect the interests of the new younger sisters on here, because they havent been treated well by others, esp on the main forum. I’m sure we’re on the same page.

Adding to her post was not to antagonize, but to demonstrate what I was talking about. If I tried to tell someone that I could edit THEIR post, I would have sounded crazy. I thought I was going crazy myself when I saw the "edit" button show up for me on Love's post. Editing it was the only way I could see to demonstrate for her exactly what weird thing I'd stumbled across. Maybe that was the wrong way to go about it, but it's all I could come up with to show effectively. I totally agree it's her decision. I was only trying to give her all the information that would factor into that decision. It's pretty weird to be able to edit other people's posts!

I'm totally on the same page with you as far as trying to protect the new younger sisters here. I have written and re-written and then deleted so many posts where I'm yelling at everyone doing the mistreating I feel like it's all I've done all day today. I still don't get what's gotten into people the past few days. I'm pretty ashamed of much of what I've read "up there".

[ExChurchKid]

I just want to mention, that I sympathize with the people who don't want to register. It gives certain other posters a target at which to lob their BS. Anyways, I'll move over the the other LGBTQ thread.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Love

I don’t get it. Why are you guys so fixated on people’s sexual orientation when you should be worried about your lives passing by? Why do people isolate each other’s differences such as the color of their skin, their race, or love interest? Like what business do you have with that?

If being gay is a choice, then why can’t Ohio suck and kiss awareness all over?

The notion that just because a person has a choice whether to engage in gay sex and some made that choice, therefore homosexuality is a choice is just frankly a ridiculous conclusion that’s not backed by anything.

It’s not exactly false that same sex behavior is in cases a choice, but first, we must make the distinction between same sex behavior and same-sex attraction.

Even if sexual behavior is purely a choice, sexual orientation, which is the state of being gay and the impulses that they feel are certainly not choices, for the simple reason that we only choose to act and our actions are influenced by our own desires. Hence, sexual desire for one type of person is not chosen, but sexual behavior is.

And this is a viewpoint held by both the American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association.

It's so nice seeing you again.

The reason it has to be a choice is because it's believed that God judges it. So if God judges it it has to be a choice.

Now if you are talking sexuality that we're born with, then it's not a choice, and God can't judge what he makes. Not a sane God, that is.

Because think about this logically, why would you choose to be gay? Since gays are heavily discriminated against around the world. I mean seriously, who would be willing to put up with all the abuses associated with being true with your sexuality? If gay people can choose to stop being gay, they would have done so long ago.

It’s not a coincidence that so many people are homosexual, and heterosexual. It’s called natural selection people. There has always been variation within the world!