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Old 06-16-2020, 02:53 PM   #1
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Ron Kangas says Witness Lee is the greatest apostle since the apostle Paul!
"I don't claim to have an exhaustive knowledge of church history. But neither am I totally lacking. If someone is sober and thorough, you consider the ministers of the age. Their vision, their ministry and their person. Where do you have to go in church history to find a match? Andrew Murray was outstanding....not a match! Darby? No! Whitfield? No! Wesley? No! Calvin? No! Luther? No! Thomas Aquinas? No? Augustine? No! You have to go all the way back to the apostles. Where we are in the Lord's Recovery is this: The Recovery has reached the stage of the full recovery of the ministry, the vision given to the apostles. I'm not exalting anyone, it's just the fact! Darby did not have Brother Nee's constitution. Luther didn't have Brother Lee's constitution. The Lord needed a certain kind of person to carry out a particular kind of ministry under the vision of the age, so that the desire of God's heart for this age will actually be carried out."

If this statement wasn't so sad, it would be funny. The magnitude of the gravity of this statement is such that I believe it is time to warn all current members of the Local Church of Witness Lee to seriously consider leaving the movement, and find a healthy place to worship the Lord and fellowship with genuine believers. I would especially encourage all young people and new believers to take steps to extract themselves as soon as possible. With Ron Kangas at the helm, and others just like him there in Anaheim, things are likely to get a lot worse. Without true repentance, personality cults like the Local Church tend to get worse over time. May God have mercy.
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Old 06-16-2020, 03:53 PM   #2
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His speaking doesn't even line up with their own MOTA doctrine. The MOTA is (according to them) the person in each age that releases the vision of that age. For Ron to describe Lee as "a certain kind of person to carry out a particular kind of ministry under the vision of the age, so that the desire of God's heart for this age will actually be carried out" as if he was somehow unique makes no sense, because that's the very definition of MOTA to begin with, and has historically been used to ascribe MOTA status in previous ages to the people that Ron has now newly put down in the quote.

Now Ron is creating, like, a "pinnacle-MOTA". How can anyone within the movement not see this is idolatry and totally contrary to Scripture?

When/where was this spoken anyway, do we know?
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Old 06-16-2020, 04:46 PM   #3
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"Darby did not have Brother Nee's constitution"
Well, thank God that John Nelson Darby didn't have Brother Nee's constitution - If he did the world probably wouldn't have had any of JND's fine translations into English, French and German, all from the original languages by a genuine scholar.

"Luther didn't have Brother Lee's constitution"
Well, we should be doubly thankful to God for this one! Instead of having led the greatest revival/renaissance the Christian church has ever seen, Luther might of been out there hiring and firing elders and co-workers at his personal whim, selling meeting halls and church land to pay off his personal debts, allowing his porn addicted, alcoholic son sexually to assault sisters in his ministry offices, teaching all sorts of heresy, and claiming he was the only person speaking as God's oracle on earth. Wow...maybe we all dodged a bullet on that one!
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The whole thing is just so absurd. First of all it doesn't even make sense for Ron to be comparing any of those that he names with Nee or Lee. They were all alive at different points in history. If they were all peers it might make more sense, but then again, the LC is really the only group out there doing these kinds of comparisons.

Secondly, if Ron wants to talk about "constitution" then he better look first at Nee and Lee. Last time I checked, Luther, Westley, etc weren't the ones who tried getting church members involved in a pharmaceutical company or motorhome investment scam.
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Old 06-16-2020, 06:00 PM   #5
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I kinda just wonder if this is their way of trying to increase the fervor of devotion. I just don't recall this level of slavering over Nee and Lee in previous years. Is this all they know to do to try to stay relevant and keep members?

Or is the devil just having a field day keeping a group of Christians starry-eyed over idols rather than the living God?
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Old 06-16-2020, 07:30 PM   #6
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It won't be long before they require all members to purchase a new "I IDOLIZE Witness Lee" button to be worn in all public venues and at home (except in the shower). Every six weeks, a new button with a similar Lee slogan will be available for members on lsm.org

Quarterly available for purchase will be the Lee t-shirts. Blue or black only, of course. Receipt for your purchase will be emailed to you at home. Now go drink your koolaid. Lols
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Old 06-17-2020, 05:09 AM   #7
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In one video (I wish I had the reference), RK asks a rhetorical question, talking about WL, saying, "can we honor him too much"? And maybe the same video, I remember..."we owe everything to him".
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I kinda just wonder if this is their way of trying to increase the fervor of devotion. I just don't recall this level of slavering over Nee and Lee in previous years. Is this all they know to do to try to stay relevant and keep members?

Or is the devil just having a field day keeping a group of Christians starry-eyed over idols rather than the living God?
He gets worse by the year. 10 years from now we will look back and comment that Ron Kangas almost seemed "sane" compared to "now" in 2030.
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In one video (I wish I had the reference), RK asks a rhetorical question, talking about WL, saying, "can we honor him too much"? And maybe the same video, I remember..."we owe everything to him".
Raptor, I definitely remember that comment, not in a video, but in the book, A Response to Recent Accusations, by RK and KR, released at the Winter Training 1989.

After the "storm" of the late 80's, when Ingalls and the other Anaheim elders resigned, this self-published book was written in response to Ingalls et.al. "16 Points." I remembered WL, TC, and other once-respected leaders calling these "16 Points" a "kill shot" taken at WL.

Chapter 9 of the book, which I still have, is titled "The Accusation Concerning Brother WL's Being Exalted and Honored Above What is Written." This book was absolutely brainwashing propaganda lies to keep the faithful from seeking the truth about what really was happening.


It was TC who said to JI, "We owe everything to WL," as recorded in the book Speaking The Truth In Love.
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Ron Kangas says Witness Lee is the greatest apostle since the apostle Paul!
"I don't claim to have an exhaustive knowledge of church history. But neither am I totally lacking. If someone is sober and thorough, you consider the ministers of the age. Their vision, their ministry and their person. Where do you have to go in church history to find a match? Andrew Murray was outstanding....not a match! Darby? No! Whitfield? No! Wesley? No! Calvin? No! Luther? No! Thomas Aquinas? No? Augustine? No! You have to go all the way back to the apostles. Where we are in the Lord's Recovery is this: The Recovery has reached the stage of the full recovery of the ministry, the vision given to the apostles. I'm not exalting anyone, it's just the fact! Darby did not have Brother Nee's constitution. Luther didn't have Brother Lee's constitution. The Lord needed a certain kind of person to carry out a particular kind of ministry under the vision of the age, so that the desire of God's heart for this age will actually be carried out."
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Here is a larger video clip in which this cultic statement was made:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRJhTQXT2_g

This message was probably given sometime between the Winter Training (end of Dec through beginning of Jan 2020) and when the virus shut everything down. When this message was given is not nearly as important as what is said by Ron Kangas.
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Who talks like this? Why does does this group need to credit Lee for any work of the Holy Spirit that may have been present?

Minoru Chen embodies the “spirit of Witness Lee”, and now Mr. Kangas anoints him MVP.

Consider Billy Graham. He was a humble servant who spent his life preaching the gospel. His lifetime of evangelism spoke for itself. He raised a son who doesn’t speak without sharing the gospel. Franklin Graham is boots on the ground bringing physical healing and hope to people all over the world.

Does anyone talk about Billy Graham or his son like this? I would imagine Franklin would be repulsed if such talk began about his father. These men of God were/are true servants. Witness Lee was a talker.

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Who talks like this? Why does does this group need to credit Lee for any work of the Holy Spirit that may have been present?

Minoru Chen embodies the “spirit of Witness Lee”, and now Mr. Kangas anoints him MVP.

Consider Billy Graham. He was a humble servant who spent his life preaching the gospel. His lifetime of evangelism spoke for itself. He raised a son who doesn’t speak without sharing the gospel. Franklin Graham is boots on the ground bringing physical healing and hope to people all over the world.

Does anyone talk about Billy Graham or his son like this? I would imagine Franklin would be repulsed if such talk began about his father. These men of God were/are true servants. Wetness Lee was a talker.

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Good points! Love does not exalt itself. However, there are other Christian groups that do this. For instance, the 7 Day Adventist really revere Ellen White in what seems a similar manner. (although I think some in the SDA church are put off somewhat by this) And of course, there's the RCC.
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Here is a larger video clip in which this cultic statement was made:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRJhTQXT2_g

This message was probably given sometime between the Winter Training (end of Dec through beginning of Jan 2020) and when the virus shut everything down. When this message was given is not nearly as important as what is said by Ron Kangas.
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Listened to the whole clip. From the shorter clip I didn't understand what Ron meant when he said "where do you have to go in church history to find a match". What match? Match of what?

After listening to the longer clip, I still don't know what he means.

How he manages to hold the hand of previous ministers of the age while simultaneously biting those hands is truly something to watch. He says he is so thankful he was not in the age of the Luther MOTA or Darby MOTA but is so thankful he is in the Nee/Lee MOTA age. This is in the same very speech that he proclaims he is not exalting Nee/Lee.

What purpose does it serve to pit MOTAs against each other, and how do people not see he's doing that VERY THING he just said he's not doing?!


edit: I know MOTA is unbiblical. My point is that even inherently, assuming it's true, their own talk is nonsensical.
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I poked fun at them earlier, but in reality, I wonder when they stand up before Jesus if they could utter such bold, heretical declarations. Cannot see them telling the Lord, 'I owe EVERYTHING to Witness Lee! We all do!'. I know the Lord will have them straightened out pretty quick. Maybe then they will recognize their idolatry, their pride, their vanity. Hopefully they can see it before then, and repent. Where is their recognition of the value of the gift of salvation? Don't they get it? Don't they know we owe everything.....our salvation....our eternal home....to Jesus? How can they make such wicked statements? Everything?? To WL?? EVERYTHING we see, and everything we don't came out from Him....

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All things were made by Him; and without Him was not anything made that was made.

I apologise for being so simplistic in my reasoning here, brothers and sisters. I guess He made me simple......I just don't understand how so many can hear these statements and not walk away.
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I'm listening to this clip now. None of this garbage is taken from scripture.
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I'd personally like to see the outline Ron is reading from. This clip makes it look like the outline itself is about Witness Lee.
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I apologise for being so simplistic in my reasoning here, brothers and sisters. I guess He made me simple......I just don't understand how so many can hear these statements and not walk away.
Well, that’s the thing, isn’t it? The gospel is SIMPLE...so all who hear can believe and be saved. I was raised on the ABC steps in Vacation Bible School: Ask, Believe, Confess. I understood this as a young child, 5 years old.

“Jesus paid it all. All to him I owe. Sin had left a crimson stain, he washed me white as snow.”

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Amen Nell. I wonder how many unregenerated people, adults or children would listen to RK rant on and on about their superior MOTA, their superior ministry, their superior group and then be softened, turned, led to repent, believe, and receive the Lord. My guess is zero. What it is that they are sowing, I don't know.
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My message to the Local Church faithful, and all of us, is a prayer that helps keep me grounded: “Lord, please don’t let me be deceived, and Lord, I’ll do whatever you want me to do.”

If any Christian cannot bring themselves to pray this prayer, why not? This “we only care for life” teaching can, and likely has, brought some into deception. It would be better to teach “we only care for truth”...which is the opposite of deception. Truth exposes the deceiver who first appeared in the garden. “Life”, in this context, is subjective and can be shaped to mean just about anything. Truth is absolute.

It seems that those in authority in the Local Church have taken a radical turn. Because of the Internet, they have lost the ability they once had, to control information flowing to the membership. If you, even remotely, question what you’re hearing, pray the prayer. It’s a righteous prayer. What do you have to lose? No one can tell you not to pray this way. “Lord, please don’t let me be deceived.”

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Arguably, the two most influential men among the "Blended Brothers" are Minoru Chen and Ron Kangas. Of course there are other brothers who have varying degrees of influence in the movement, but these two fellows have clearly positioned themselves to be "first among equals".

Now one of these guys has declared that:
"I am full of Witness Lee's spirit!" and the other one has proclaimed:
"Luther didn't have Brother Lee's constitution!"

I believe that these two statements show that the Local Church of Witness Lee has evolved into a Christian personality cult. I know some around these parts get offended by this word "cult", and I don't use it lightly, however at some point one must face the reality of the situation. I believe that the leaders of the LC movement are putting the members, especially the younger people and new believers, in a clear and present danger. When the leaders are proclaiming that they are "full of the spirit" of their dead spiritual guru, and that he was the direct and sole continuation of the scripture writing apostles, it is time for some to sound the alarm.

Thankfully the Local Church of Witness Lee no longer has a corner of the market on information control. The members have instant access with their phones, tablets and computers. Finally, I would like to second the motion of Nell's post: "It would be better to teach “we only care for truth”...which is the opposite of deception."

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"Darby did not have Brother Nee's constitution"
Well, thank God that John Nelson Darby didn't have Brother Nee's constitution - If he did the world probably wouldn't have had any of JND's fine translations into English, French and German, all from the original languages by a genuine scholar.
Lee coming a century later had opportunity to learn from Darby's mistakes with Mueller & Newton. Nothing was learned since history was clearly repeated.
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I'm listening to this clip now. None of this garbage is taken from scripture.
My serving brother back in the early 80's told us teenage brothers that Brother Lee is the modern day Apostle Paul. That's what we were taught.
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Lee coming a century later had opportunity to learn from Darby's mistakes with Mueller & Newton. Nothing was learned since history was clearly repeated.
I suppose we need to ask whether these were actually "mistakes."

In the mid 1840's, there were clearly several of the Brethren whose maturity and fruitfulness became most evident. Darby, of course. The scholarly B.W. Newton was the primary minister in Plymouth, by far the largest Brethren assembly, and the reason the entire movement became known as the "Plymouth Brethren." George Mueller, one of the elders in Bristol, and founder of the orphanages. A. N. Groves who was perhaps the original of the Brethren, but who soon left England for mission work in Iraq and India. Robert Chapman in Barnstable, later called the "apostle of love."

Darby considered Newton his chief rival for movement leadership. After Newton was tragically widowed, Darby spent a couple years destroying his work, his church in Plymouth, and his reputation. Muller later crossed Darby by refusing to be subjected to his demands. The Brethren became forever divided, but Darby emerged the undisputed leader.

Perhaps it was not a "mistake," but the plan all along.
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Ron Kangas says Witness Lee is the greatest apostle since the apostle Paul!

How is this not simply a Pauline version of a Petrine pope?

How is this not exalting a man?

How is this not idolatry?

HOW DOES DECEPTION WORK SO WELL ON SO MANY?!
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To be fair to Ron Kangas (not that he'll ever return the favor) he didn't actually use the words "Greatest apostle since the apostle Paul"...however I have listened to this clip many times (I'm the one who transcribed this quip word for word in the opening post)....and he was absolutely saying this in so many words.

To be honest, I'm not really too shocked anymore about what comes out of the mouth of people like Ron Kangas and Minoru Chen. They truly have become "brother Lee's continuation".

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Arguably, the two most influential men among the "Blended Brothers" are Minoru Chen and Ron Kangas. Of course there are other brothers who have varying degrees of influence in the movement, but these two fellows have clearly positioned themselves to be "first among equals".
"First among equals" usually means that only one guy is on top. History tells us this about all exclusive systems, from the Catholics to the Brethren to the Recovery. It's ingrained into their collective psyche -- "who is our leader?"

I would suspect there has been jockeying for power in Anaheim. We have heard that BP was the master at the behind-the-scenes control. (Read Rutledge account). He is, of course, the current President. Perhaps it is BP who maintains the "blended" ruse. Can this last forever?
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I would suspect there has been jockeying for power in Anaheim. We have heard that BP was the master at the behind-the-scenes control. (Read Rutledge account). He is, of course, the current President. Perhaps it is BP who maintains the "blended" ruse. Can this last forever?
The whispers I have heard about Benson is that his mental cognition is on the decline. I don't think he's mastering much of anything anymore.
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Yeah, I've heard the same thing about Benson. Of course one could easily wonder about the mental cognition of people who say they are possessed by the spirit of a dead bible teacher, and that he was a greater teacher than all the famous teachers who have ever lived since the original apostles! God have mercy.
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Yeah, I've heard the same thing about Benson. Of course one could easily wonder about the mental cognition of people who say they are possessed by the spirit of a dead bible teacher, and that he was a greater teacher than all the famous teachers who have ever lived since the original apostles! God have mercy.
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"First among equals" usually means that only one guy is on top. History tells us this about all exclusive systems, from the Catholics to the Brethren to the Recovery. It's ingrained into their collective psyche -- "who is our leader?"

I would suspect there has been jockeying for power in Anaheim. We have heard that BP was the master at the behind-the-scenes control. (Read Rutledge account). He is, of course, the current President. Perhaps it is BP who maintains the "blended" ruse. Can this last forever?
Or more equal than others...
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This is what the 'greatest apostle' or maybe he was just the 'second greatest apostle' who ever lived had to say about himself AND about those who considered him at the time to be the 'greatest apostle, like everrrr!'

1 Corinthians 3: 1- 5

"Brothers, I could not address you as spiritual but as worldly - mere infants in Christ. I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready. You are still worldly. For since there is quarreling and jealousy among you, are you not worldly? Are you not acting like mere men? For when one says, I follow Paul, and another, I follow Apollos, are you not mere men? WHAT AFTER ALL IS APOLLOS? AND WHAT IS PAUL?".... Only servants! ...
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A study should be done, using their own words and writings, comparing the humility of Apostle Paul with the arrogance of Witness Lee.
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Old 07-16-2020, 10:38 AM   #35
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This is what the 'greatest apostle' or maybe he was just the 'second greatest apostle' who ever lived had to say about himself AND about those who considered him at the time to be the 'greatest apostle, like everrrr!' 1 Corinthians 3: 1- 5
The "Lord´s Recovery" is the epitamy of 1 Cor. 3:1-5 in several ways:
1) Paul was admonishing the believers in Corinth not to follow a specific minister and make a party out of it, causing division. Believers in the LR do exactly that, they follow WL uniquely and exclusively. causing division. They are "of Lee".
2) Paul did not admonish the actual ministers for forming parties, yet in the LR the leaders teach to follow WL far and wide, the whole point of the LR is a group centered around and on the teachings of WL and the leaders promote this unashamedly and divisively as the basis of their so called "oneness of the Body".
3) In Corinth some divisively said they were "of Christ", thinking they were better than the others. In the LR they not only say they are "of Lee", they also similarly say they are "of Christ", but say we are "of the Lord". But in case that is not enough, they think they are even better than the Corinthians´ "of Christ" group, because they are of the "Lord´s Recovery." So yeah, "you Corinthians are of Christ, but we are of "Christ´s Recovery".
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All Equals Are Blended But Some Equals Are More Blended Than Others.
1) Your posting reminds me of the movie "legally blonde".
So they are legally blended? or legally blind... Forgive me if my pun is not so fun...

BTW, seriously, some leading brothers in my country (South Korea) have claimed they are blended, but 30 years' reality here seems to prove the opposite.

2) Back to the original point, "the greatEST" apostle thing, the superlative degree can indicate the opposite extreme like in the tale of two cities by Charles Dickens.

"It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to heaven, we were all going direct the other way - in short, the period was so far like the present period, that some of its noisiest authorities insisted on its being received, for good or for evil, in the superlative degree of comparison only."

I believe we have to remember Apostle Paul used a somewhat different kind of superlative... less than the least....
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1) Your posting reminds me of the movie "legally blonde".
So they are legally blended? or legally blind... Forgive me if my pun is not so fun...

BTW, seriously, some leading brothers in my country (South Korea) have claimed they are blended, but 30 years' reality here seems to prove the opposite.

2) Back to the original point, "the greatEST" apostle thing, the superlative degree can indicate the opposite extreme like in the tale of two cities by Charles Dickens.

"It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to heaven, we were all going direct the other way - in short, the period was so far like the present period, that some of its noisiest authorities insisted on its being received, for good or for evil, in the superlative degree of comparison only."

I believe we have to remember Apostle Paul used a somewhat different kind of superlative... less than the least....
Quite ironic, and when Apostle Paul referred to these fraudsters like the Blindeds, he called them superlative apostles. 2 Cor 11.5
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Old 07-18-2020, 08:22 AM   #38
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Y'know,

Seeing how those verses up there (1 Cor 3:1-5) so perfectly fit the description of those in the Recovery, Paul might as well have been directly telling the Blenders...

1. You are not spiritual
2. You are worldly
3. You are infants in Christ
4. You are mere men
5. (And maybe there is jealousy and quarrelling among you)
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Eggs Act Lee!
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5. (And maybe there is jealousy and quarrelling among you)
Number 5 explains much about Local Church history. How Lee couldn't get along with his peers. How certain elders/co-workers were pushed out. Blendeds like to view themselves as the authority, but far from it. Most remaining I believe are quite aged and just as stiffnecked. There was opportunity to repent and reconcile with their past and would not.
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