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Old 08-16-2018, 04:16 PM   #1
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https://www.deseretnews.com/article/...most-uses.html

Hi saints, just wanted to share this news article with everybody. The LDS church has decided to go with its official name only, or be known as "The Church" for short....I found this to be ironically amusing and was thinking someone better inform the Local Church!?
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Old 08-16-2018, 04:19 PM   #2
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By the way, isn't 'restored' an acronym for 'recovered'? Maybe we shouldn't tell the LC.....I hate to see tax payer wastin lawsuits run through our legal system...
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Old 08-16-2018, 07:11 PM   #3
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I don't see the point of this considering that the Orthodox church and the Roman Catholic church have been referring to themselves as "The Church" for hundreds of years. Seems like another thread locked and loaded with irrelevant insinuation and innuendos. You should really stop baiting local church members to come onto your forum with posts like these.
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Old 08-16-2018, 08:01 PM   #4
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I don't see the point of this considering that the Orthodox church and the Roman Catholic church have been referring to themselves as "The Church" for hundreds of years. Seems like another thread locked and loaded with irrelevant insinuation and innuendos. You should really stop baiting local church members to come onto your forum with posts like these.
Sorry, Evan. I didn't mean to bait LCers. I just have fresh eyes for groups who are under the assumption they are THE church of Christ...besides that, I have recently received my schooling regarding strawmen arguments...something I can thank you and Drake for, exclusively! Something that cannot be thought of as anything but 'baiting', 'manupilation', 'deception'....in my humble opinion, the wrong path to take in honest discussion....

So you don't like baiting? But straw-manning folks is ok?
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Old 08-16-2018, 10:00 PM   #5
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Sorry, Evan. I didn't mean to bait LCers. I just have fresh eyes for groups who are under the assumption they are THE church of Christ...besides that, I have recently received my schooling regarding strawmen arguments...something I can thank you and Drake for, exclusively! Something that cannot be thought of as anything but 'baiting', 'manupilation', 'deception'....in my humble opinion, the wrong path to take in honest discussion....

So you don't like baiting? But straw-manning folks is ok?
This is the classic "pot calling the kettle black".
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Old 08-16-2018, 10:38 PM   #6
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Hi Nell,

It seems like, too, the same groups that deviate from scripture, or have accepted some mans' doctrine over that of the doctrine of Christ, are also led down the path of confusion to a place where they, exclusively are Gods true church, or Gods 'overcoming' church. They seem to go hand in hand....only He can keep us from becoming arrogant or proud, even about our position or salvation. I am learning, just how dangerous it is to reconcile another doctrine in with Gods' word...we have to be so careful! I am not saying that I am safe from being proud or arrogant before Him, just that I also need His leading to guard me from that, just as much as any christian. I am so thankful for everything that has transpired for us, regarding the LC....I continue to be surprised at how much I never saw, and what I continue to learn...all praise to Jesus, sister.
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By the way, isn't 'restored' an acronym for 'recovered'? Maybe we shouldn't tell the LC.....I hate to see tax payer wastin lawsuits run through our legal system...
Correction...acronym?? to synonym
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Correction...acronym?? to synonym
They are different words that have different meanings. Yet I consider the word "reform" as in reformation of Catholicism or "the reformation" to be a worse term than recover or restore, and to me means lipstick on a pig.
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Witness Lee used these terms interchangeably. As a Local Church member you are not allowed to say which is better and which is worse. Even the Blended Brothers cannot do this. Watch your step.

So, what Martin Luther was doing was "putting lipstick on a pig"? Really? That's kind of far out there bro....even for you. No objective person could deny that Witness Lee considered his movement a "reformation" of "Poor, Poor, Christianity." In fact, Lee was always trying to bring about a reformation of "The Recovery". Sometimes it was called a new "flow". Sometimes it was called "the New Way". Lee was always in the business of tearing down, mostly so that he could claim to be the only one to build back up. This is why Lee is referred to as "The Master Builder".

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Mr. E.
Witness Lee used these terms interchangeably. As a Local Church member you are not allowed to say which is better and which is worse. Even the Blended Brothers cannot do this. Watch your step.

So, what Martin Luther was doing was "putting lipstick on a pig"? Really? That's kind of far out there bro....even for you. No objective person could deny that Witness Lee considered his movement a "reformation" of "Poor, Poor, Christianity." In fact, Lee was always trying to bring about a reformation of "The Recovery". Sometimes it was called a new "flow". Sometimes it was called "the New Way". Lee was always in the business of tearing down, mostly so that he could claim to be the only one to build back up. This is why Lee is referred to as "The Master Builder".

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I don’t think so, UntoHim

I never heard the notion of reformation in the Lord’s recovery.

Reformation and recovery are two very different concepts.

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Mr. E.
Witness Lee used these terms interchangeably. As a Local Church member you are not allowed to say which is better and which is worse. Even the Blended Brothers cannot do this. Watch your step.

So, what Martin Luther was doing was "putting lipstick on a pig"? Really? That's kind of far out there bro....even for you. No objective person could deny that Witness Lee considered his movement a "reformation" of "Poor, Poor, Christianity." In fact, Lee was always trying to bring about a reformation of "The Recovery". Sometimes it was called a new "flow". Sometimes it was called "the New Way". Lee was always in the business of tearing down, mostly so that he could claim to be the only one to build back up. This is why Lee is referred to as "The Master Builder".

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I think Luther was trying to reform a pig, initially. Perhaps he did not know its true nature at first. He maintained a belief that it was the true church. But eventually he realized it was not possible, or it became not possible beyond his control. The reformation became something else. It removed the icons, and recovered salvation by faith alone, however its outward form was still like the Catholic church - the church of England. The Puritans tried to reform a pig as well, but also failed, and so separated completely.

I think Lee and the recovery did what Luther and the Puritans should have done from the start, in hindsight, forget about reforming a pig, start afresh.
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They are different words that have different meanings. Yet I consider the word "reform" as in reformation of Catholicism or "the reformation" to be a worse term than recover or restore, and to me means lipstick on a pig.

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