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Old 05-18-2020, 12:16 PM   #1
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Question Coronavirus Powergrab?

Had an opportunity this morning to run some errands, and heard my favorite radio host, Dennis Prager (I like that he's respectful to just about everyone). As most everybody on radio is doing, he has something to say about the current situation. His basic stance, if I can remember right, was that the lock-down is the biggest hoax perpetuated on mankind so far. He thinks the virus itself is real, and that some measures were prudent, but the extreme economic lock-down has been a huge overreach that has caused much more damage than it's worth. If I understand him right, he's saying some measures were good and certain things are fine to keep practicing (like prudent social distancing & other common-sense precautions), but the extreme economic results will have a much bigger, longer lasting negative impact than the virus effects itself.

He further said that Marxists are besides themselves with glee over this global pandemic. This is because they finally see a wonderful opportunity to bring down capitalism, and bring in strong, centralized, socialistic government. As Rahm Emanuel is attributed as saying (quoting Machiavelli in part): “You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. It’s an opportunity to do things you could not do before.”

So whatever you believe - the lock-down measures went way too far OR the lock-down measures aren't going far enough - I'm not so concerned about that. (And I'm not concerned about which political party you think is mainly to blame for whatever problem.) But do you believe that this pandemic will have gone far in "softening us up" and will be a rallying cry for a long time (for example, "Remember what happened when government didn't do enough during COVID-19?!"), to bring in really BIG government measures? And not just on a national level, but could this be a key stimulus to eventually bring everything under worldwide control?
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But do you believe that this pandemic will have gone far in "softening us up" and will be a rallying cry for a long time (for example, "Remember what happened when government didn't do enough during COVID-19?!"), to bring in really BIG government measures? And not just on a national level, but could this be a key stimulus to eventually bring everything under worldwide control?
So much deception and misinformation accompanies this pandemic. Whether they are Democrats, Marxists, Communists, Socialists, or Globalists, they all seek to use this crisis to eradicate Trump and those evil "capitalists." The world-wide propaganda machinery has gone into hyper-drive. Think about how these "scientists," these virologists, have manufactured exaggerated apocalyptic models to force western governments to shut down their countries. Even folks like Bill Gates, Michael Bloomberg, and Lebron James now carry water for the CCP.

This has now become China's chief selling point: they alone are equipped to lead the world during such scary times. Their economy has not suffered due to the pandemic. Amazing how the world's worst racists can use our media to condemn the Trump administration as racists. The CCP, like Hitler, wants an homogeneous population of compliant, yellow, atheist, subjects. Christians, Muslims, minorities, and socially scored "dissidents" are routinely sent to re-education camps or just disappear.
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So much deception and misinformation accompanies this pandemic. Whether they are Democrats, Marxists, Communists, Socialists, or Globalists, they all seek to use this crisis to eradicate Trump and those evil "capitalists." The world-wide propaganda machinery has gone into hyper-drive. Think about how these "scientists," these virologists, have manufactured exaggerated apocalyptic models to force western governments to shut down their countries. Even folks like Bill Gates, Michael Bloomberg, and Lebron James now carry water for the CCP.
Could be. But my purpose for starting this thread was not about the micro-politics of the here & now, but rather the bigger, even spiritual picture to all this. Do you think we'll look back and see this pandemic as one of the first big stepping stones, whereby people willingly hand over their freedom, and their tax monies, to facilitate the creation of much larger government - even an a world-wide scale? (thus ushering-in you know who)

I just amazed at the speed at which something like this has taken place, and shows how quickly we will just do what we're told . . . for the "greater good" of mankind.
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Could be. But my purpose for starting this thread was not about the micro-politics of the here & now, but rather the bigger, even spiritual picture to all this. Do you think we'll look back and see this pandemic as one of the first big stepping stones, whereby people willingly hand over their freedom, and their tax monies, to facilitate the creation of much larger government - even an a world-wide scale? (thus ushering-in you know who)

I just amazed at the speed at which something like this has taken place, and shows how quickly we will just do what we're told . . . for the "greater good" of mankind.
I think we're all amazed as well. Let this be a lesson "if" it's not too late and if it's too late, oh well...we shouldn't be suprised for it is written what will happen before His return.

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Could be. But my purpose for starting this thread was not about the micro-politics of the here & now, but rather the bigger, even spiritual picture to all this.

I just amazed at the speed at which something like this has taken place, and shows how quickly we will just do what we're told . . . for the "greater good" of mankind.
It's hard to discuss this topic without mentioning politics. I'll try. Whether you know it or not, politics will soon regulate your life like never before.

So ... let's talk technology instead. Do you have a smart phone? Do you have any idea how much info they can gather on you from your phone? You may think that cell phone provides you with liberty, actually the opposite. Do you know that your phone's microphone, camera, fingerprints, facial recognition, and GPS can all be turned on and accessed remotely?

As they say, "never let a good crisis go to waste," and this pandemic is the perfect opportunity for them. Do you know that coronavirus "contact tracing" is a ruse for the same "social scoring" being done in China? What about the current demands for unlimited testing? It also provides the last piece of data on you -- your DNA.

Some folks are seriously spooked by covid-1984. Yesterday I heard about the neighbor of a good friend. She stores all the food that she buys in a special fridge until she is sure all the corona germs have died off. Huh? I see people walking thru the woods with a mask on, afraid that me or my dog might get too close and contaminate them. Wow?

Since the beginning of this pandemic, the WHO, the NIH, the CDC, Dr. FowChee, the Scarf Lady, and the Surgeon General have consistently given us inconsistent information. Would you trust anyone in your life that was wrong that frequently? How about your mechanic, your tax preparer, your local police, your doctor, your wife?
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It's hard to discuss this topic without mentioning politics. I'll try. Whether you know it or not, politics will soon regulate your life like never before.

So ... let's talk technology instead. Do you have a smart phone? Do you have any idea how much info they can gather on you from your phone? You may think that cell phone provides you with liberty, actually the opposite. Do you know that your phone's microphone, camera, fingerprints, facial recognition, and GPS can all be turned on and accessed remotely?

As they say, "never let a good crisis go to waste," and this pandemic is the perfect opportunity for them. Do you know that coronavirus "contact tracing" is a ruse for the same "social scoring" being done in China? What about the current demands for unlimited testing? It also provides the last piece of data on you -- your DNA.

Some folks are seriously spooked by covid-1984. Yesterday I heard about the neighbor of a good friend. She stores all the food that she buys in a special fridge until she is sure all the corona germs have died off. Huh? I see people walking thru the woods with a mask on, afraid that me or my dog might get too close and contaminate them. Wow?

Since the beginning of this pandemic, the WHO, the NIH, the CDC, Dr. FowChee, the Scarf Lady, and the Surgeon General have consistently given us inconsistent information. Would you trust anyone in your life that was wrong that frequently? How about your mechanic, your tax preparer, your local police, your doctor, your wife?
Can't disagree with anything you've stated, and have seen many of these things myself. My wife and I were sitting out front just last evening (it still cools down enough in the evening to do that here) and saw a young man walking along, talking on his cell phone, with a mask on! No one else was out walking that we saw, but he was protected (at least in his mind)! People are on the hiking trail with them on too. And yes, the varying reports by every "expert" - if I took everything to heart I heard, I'd be curled-up in a fetal position, hunkered-down in my bathtub!

Can't government do something to make it all better?! (said not me)

And ditto on the whole technology thing! It's astounding what they are doing and claim to be on the verge of doing. Implants are next I suspect, because smartphones aren't nearly close enough to us. And while I didn't like what the contact tracing might turn into, I hadn't thought about it in terms of the Chinese Social Credit System! double yikes!

So all of this is most rapidly coming together to facilitate control over the populous, like man has not seen or conceived of. Then the "little man" will have his day.

But praise the Lord, He is victor!
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Can't disagree with anything you've stated, and have seen many of these things myself. My wife and I were sitting out front just last evening (it still cools down enough in the evening to do that here) and saw a young man walking along, talking on his cell phone, with a mask on! No one else was out walking that we saw, but he was protected (at least in his mind)! People are on the hiking trail with them on too. And yes, the varying reports by every "expert" - if I took everything to heart I heard, I'd be curled-up in a fetal position, hunkered-down in my bathtub!

Can't government do something to make it all better?! (said not me)

And ditto on the whole technology thing! It's astounding what they are doing and claim to be on the verge of doing. Implants are next I suspect, because smartphones aren't nearly close enough to us. And while I didn't like what the contact tracing might turn into, I hadn't thought about it in terms of the Chinese Social Credit System! double yikes!

So all of this is most rapidly coming together to facilitate control over the populous, like man has not seen or conceived of. Then the "little man" will have his day.

But praise the Lord, He is victor!
And the most insidious thing is this: The man in the White House, along with those who align with him, are daily maligned as the enemy, while those who hate him are viewed as your friends.
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But praise the Lord, He is victor!

When they take our rights, our belongings, our ability to assemble, our right to speak for the Lord, and even our life, that is the time we can really say . . .

But praise the Lord, He is victor!
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When the take our rights, our belongings, our ability to assemble, our right to speak for the Lord, and even our life, that is the time we can really say . . .

But praise the Lord, He is victor!
"As it is written: 'For your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.'"
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HALF of all Twitter posts demanding US reopen economy and spreading COVID-19 conspiracy theories are bots, researchers say

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HALF of all Twitter posts demanding US reopen economy and spreading COVID-19 conspiracy theories are bots, researchers say

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And the other half are legit because families have lost everything.

Are these "bots" also showing up at protests hiding behind masks?
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Trump’s Push To Open Churches Contradicts Jesus’ Teaching To Love Neighbors, Clergy Say

"According to the activist Rev. William Barber, Trump’s push contradicts a fundamental tenet of the president’s Christian faith ― to love your neighbor as yourself."

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Alan Dershowitz says the state has every right to ‘plunge a needle into your arm’ and forcibly vaccinate its citizens

"Let me put it very clearly," Dershowitz said. "You have no constitutional right to endanger the public and spread the disease, even if you disagree. You have no right not to be vaccinated, you have no right not to wear a mask, you have no right to open up your business."

But if you want to interact with other people, you cannot become Typhoid Mary. The Constitution doesn't give you the right to spread your illness to other people."

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Oh my goodness - this is totally bringing out the loonies from all extremes! Only one answer - a global government must protect us!

So where can I send all my money to support this highly critical, most worthy endeavor?!
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Alan Dershowitz says the state has every right to ‘plunge a needle into your arm’ and forcibly vaccinate its citizens

"Let me put it very clearly," Dershowitz said. "You have no constitutional right to endanger the public and spread the disease, even if you disagree. You have no right not to be vaccinated, you have no right not to wear a mask, you have no right to open up your business."

But if you want to interact with other people, you cannot become Typhoid Mary. The Constitution doesn't give you the right to spread your illness to other people."
If "you have no constitutional right to endanger the public," then no one should be permitted to drive a car, because cars kill people every day. More people die in hospitals than anywhere else, so hospitals and doctors must be unconstitutional.

This is shear lunacy. There is nothing in the US Constitution which mandates a vaccine. Everything in life has risks. We do risk assessment with every decision we make.

Have you read this latest study?
Up to 60% of the population may have 'some degree' of preexisting immunity to COVID-19

At the root of this pandemic panic is the rejection of God our Creator. Once we have leaders who are no longer God-fearing, every supposed danger can be manipulated to grip society in fear. And why not? Since without God we are spinning uncontrollably thru space with no one or nothing to protect us.

50 years ago, I was taught that nuclear war, starvation famines, overpopulation, and the next Ice Age was looming in our near future. None of these have occurred, and most have been forgotten by now.
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This activist the Right Reverend Dr. William Barber II is a Left-wing Socialist Con job. Check him out. I would believe a word he said. His credibility is right up there with Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and other hustlers.
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And the other half are legit because families have lost everything.
Not necessarily legit. Just human rather than bots. They have at least one reason to reopen the country but have nothing to say about any reason to not reopen the country. They only see economics. Their economics. They don't see the risk to their lives. Or give it little weight because they are willing to risk it.

And no reference to those who are ready to believe conspiracy theory bots because they take a position that seems right to them.

My Aunt found one doctor a month or so ago who said there was no reason to shut down the economy. Despite the many with more relevant experience and knowledge in the field of epidemiology who say otherwise, she latched onto that one. Why? Because it was the answer she wanted to hear.

I am not saying that it is entirely impossible that having no lockdown would have had no impact on things. But history shows otherwise. And there is no evidence that it will be as the "economy first" crowd wants. Just wishful thinking. I would rather learn from history than just buck it and take my chances.
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Not necessarily legit. Just human rather than bots. They have at least one reason to reopen the country but have nothing to say about any reason to not reopen the country. They only see economics. Their economics. They don't see the risk to their lives. Or give it little weight because they are willing to risk it.

And no reference to those who are ready to believe conspiracy theory bots because they take a position that seems right to them.

I am not saying that it is entirely impossible that having no lockdown would have had no impact on things. But history shows otherwise. And there is no evidence that it will be as the "economy first" crowd wants. Just wishful thinking. I would rather learn from history than just buck it and take my chances.
So . . . the shut down saved us from Covid-1984 . . . but
  • domestic abuse is off the charts
  • suicides and depression are rising
  • lives are being ruined, families destroyed
  • urgent elective surgeries canceled
  • cancer treatments postponed and cancer deaths rising
  • hospitals going bankrupt because only Covids cared for
  • businesses closing daily, never to return, jobs lost
  • prisoners released to the streets so the jails can house those who violate quarantine
  • China replacing us as the leader of the world
  • fill in the blanks folks ...
But OBW says you are too selfish, and you only care about your own economics, and your families' economics, and their education, and their well-being, and their health, and their future, etc.

Stay home and die. Stay home and starve. At first it was 2 weeks, then 2 months, now 2 years ??? Now you must wait for the vaccine!

Even though all the Politicians get paid, the school teachers, and all public sector employees get paid, you must STAY HOME. Be patriotic! Be a good Christian! Be a good citizen? Just stay home!

And one more thing about these supposed "conspiracy theorists" that supported Trump -- where was OBW the last 4 years who supported the media that Trump was a Russian agent? Talk about conspiracy theorist! Not a shred of evidence, but OBW believed every evil thing he heard about Trump. Talk about being void of Christian discernment! Would a real Christian believe all of those lies?

Sounds like perhaps God sent you an operation of error (2 Thess 2.10-12)
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Let's play a game. It's called shoot the messenger.
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Let's play a game. It's called shoot the messenger.
Just the facts sir!

Riddle me this Batman:

Is it a Pandemic or a DemPanic?
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Just looked at this thread again (which I started) because I'm not getting new post notifications for some reason. Appears to have been a little political food fight while I was away!

As I posted early on (see 3rd post) I didn't intend this thread to about current day politics. But rather how this COVID-19 response appears to be softening us all up for lots more government intervention in the not too distant future. (AKA end-of-the-age prophesy) As is frequently pointed out, the speed at which things has changed is beyond astounding. I suppose big events are always like this - think the Japanese attack in 1941 or 9-11, or the 2008 financial meltdown, or on a smaller scale, hurricane Katrina. But the current situation is unique in that it is affecting and causing a sea change in most of the populated world in a very short period of time. One day we're going along, business as usual, the next day, pretty serious changes!

And it's not just the speed of these changes, it's also how far-reaching they are. Considering the relatively low lethality of COVID-19 (you might not agree with that, but there are many things that could be far more devastating). What will humans do when something truly cataclysmic happens? Considering our response to this present occurrence, it doesn't bode well for us. When a much more serious thing comes along, then something REALLY BIG will be warranted as a response by those who seek to govern us, and we'll probably let them have their way . . . in the name of peace & safety and the greater good.

And the explosion of technology, information and surveillance ability has simply skyrocketed in the past decade. This includes biotech capabilities, which is beyond astounding and more than a little frightening.

So putting these things together, I think we can begin to get a rough picture of how this could all come together with lightening speed! The man of sin will have a lot of very effective control measures at his disposal (not to mention the unseen forces of darkness). It will be quite overwhelming for everyone, to the point that if possible, even the elect of God will be deceived.
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And the other half are legit because families have lost everything.

Are these "bots" also showing up at protests hiding behind masks?
No, no, no. Ohio, you need to understand "bots" is a word in LC terminology known as "opposer". If there's an undesirable view, it's discarded as "oh, that's due to bots".
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Just the facts sir!

Riddle me this Batman:

Is it a Pandemic or a DemPanic?
That's no riddle. It's pandemic. And now that another month has gone by and it has not just "gone away" like the Orange One predicted, but has gotten much worse. What else can I say?

There is no power grab. That is just hollow rhetoric from people who don't give a rat's behind about anyone but themselves.

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Yes. In pure disbelief that a whole country could be so dumb as to ignore such a serious health threat.
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That's no riddle. It's pandemic. And now that another month has gone by and it has not just "gone away" like the Orange One predicted, but has gotten much worse. What else can I say?

There is no power grab. That is just hollow rhetoric from people who don't give a rat's behind about anyone but themselves.

Yes. In pure disbelief that a whole country could be so dumb as to ignore such a serious health threat.
Of course it is a DemPanic. Open your eyes and look at the facts.

Here is just one more article to expose the Panic:

COVID Cheerleaders Change the Rules in the Middle of the Game

Lastly, health departments have changed the rules for defining positive cases in the middle of the game to falsely inflate the case counts. Why would they do this?

The ruling class, including federal, state, and local health departments, are desperate to prevent a second Trump term. They are banking on the weakest presidential candidate, likely suffering from dementia, winning the presidency, and are doing everything they can to drag him across the finish line. The great Democrat hope is a guy who said, “I’m Joe Biden’s husband, Joe Biden.
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Coronavirus: Is it an act of God?

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But I guess from what I see on this thread, Covid-19 is an act of the democrats.
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But I guess from what I see on this thread, Covid-19 is an act of the democrats.
This article is from a Jewish perspective, but it - somewhat surprisingly - seems to fall short of a deeper knowledge of His ways. Yes He made things perfect and gave the earth to man to tend it, but we let ourselves fall to beguilement, and the enemy took control and all was corrupted. Man still has his free will to choose life or death, which God delegated to him originally. Mankind is swimming in a cesspool largely of his own making, and God provided one Savior out of the mess. That's the Big Picture 101 primer as I see it.
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But I guess from what I see on this thread, Covid-19 is an act of the democrats.
You are twisting the facts.

Only the Panic, the lies, and the hysteria are from the Democrats.
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This article is from a Jewish perspective, but it - somewhat surprisingly - seems to fall short of a deeper knowledge of His ways. Yes He made things perfect and gave the earth to man to tend it, but we let ourselves fall to beguilement, and the enemy took control and all was corrupted. Man still has his free will to choose life or death, which God delegated to him originally. Mankind is swimming in a cesspool largely of his own making, and God provided one Savior out of the mess. That's the Big Picture 101 primer as I see it.
Thanks for sharing. But what about Covid? Is it an act of God? Or did we, because we're nothing but a cesspool, cause it?

That would make sense. God might not have anything to do with it. After all, it is us -- the global us -- that's eating bats. So it is the global us that is causing this evil. WE brought this evil upon ourselves. Not God.

Then again, it could just be the way of nature, that science just hasn't figured out yet ; that's why they call it the "novel" coronavirus ; like Polio ; it was novel before a vaccine was developed.

In the end it could all just be that, we're just ignorant humans, doing crazy things, like eating bats.

Now why the virus? That's another question altogether. According to the Bible it is God that creates the critters. The virus, tho small, is a critter. Why would God create something like that? That's the really big question. The answer to which we'll likely never know. But it takes some of the shine off of God.

Isa_45:7 - I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
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That's no riddle. It's pandemic. And now that another month has gone by and it has not just "gone away" like the Orange One predicted, but has gotten much worse. What else can I say?

There is no power grab. That is just hollow rhetoric from people who don't give a rat's behind about anyone but themselves.

Yes. In pure disbelief that a whole country could be so dumb as to ignore such a serious health threat.
well! Sad, but ironic how under a different administration pandemics were treated differently. Covid is still lagging 55 million behind H1N1 of 2009/2010 per CDC. Yet then under that pandemic, there was not the hysteria. Schools weren't closed, employees weren't furloughed or laid off. That's what I see happening now. Since impeachment didn't work, Covid pandemic had to be racheted up several notches. Those who contracted the virus were moved in nursing homes and rehab centers to infect and cause death's of our elderly population. Make the virus appear far more deadly than it actually is. Now certain governors have been put on notice, increased covid counts may or may not be accurate, but the mortality rate is certainly decreasing.

If the virus is not as deadly to the 60 and under population, why do businesses need to be closed?
Affect the economy and you just might affect the population. Orange man bad. It's the general population whose lives are treated like a pawn. who cares if they get laid off as long as it prevents Orange man bad from being re-elected. I say this with a bit of sarcasm and a lot of anger. I just found out a para-educator who worked with my youngest from Kindergarten through 5th grade was laid pff. It's not about a virus. It's about an election. Still to date I only know one person (a LPN) who contracted Covid.
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Only the Panic, the lies, and the hysteria are from the Democrats.
The virus is real. The hysteria is pushed. By November 4 the hysteria will have ended. A year from now it will have been just like another flu bug. Mortally hazardous to our senior population, but to most working people it will cause some to lose some sick days to fight and recover from it.
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Thanks for sharing. But what about Covid? Is it an act of God? Or did we, because we're nothing but a cesspool, cause it?

That would make sense. God might not have anything to do with it. After all, it is us -- the global us -- that's eating bats. So it is the global us that is causing this evil. WE brought this evil upon ourselves. Not God.

Then again, it could just be the way of nature, that science just hasn't figured out yet ; that's why they call it the "novel" coronavirus ; like Polio ; it was novel before a vaccine was developed.

In the end it could all just be that, we're just ignorant humans, doing crazy things, like eating bats.

Now why the virus? That's another question altogether. According to the Bible it is God that creates the critters. The virus, tho small, is a critter. Why would God create something like that? That's the really big question. The answer to which we'll likely never know. But it takes some of the shine off of God?
Dr. Fauci gave millions to this Chinese Lab in Wuhan to study bat viruses. Without his investment, this pandemic would never have occurred. Then we exalt Fauci as a national hero. He is played by Brad Pitt! Yet Fauci has been wrong every step of the way. Remember masks were bad? Now masks are good, yes! Fauci continually speaks unproven theories as proven science. He is totally self-serving, smooching up with all the Washington DC elites, like Bill and Hillary Clinton, monumental bastions of moral integrity.

Isn't it just amazing what a brain-washing propaganda media apparatus is capable of? Fauci has never had an accurate prediction. He rose to prominence with exaggerated claims about AIDS transmissions back in the 80's. Read his history and then explain one good thing he has done for the US. He specializes in fear, not facts. He is like the false prophets of old, who should be stoned for their wrong prophecies. Why is it that we accept this "scientific" charlatan, yet reject all those who would actually speak from fact-based science?

This man has been ruined by power, and we know that absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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Only the Panic, the lies, and the hysteria are from the Democrats.
True but not true. True that that's what's being stated. But not true in that there's a clear need to attack "the other" group.

Boiling it down, it's nothing but the typical 'us/them' dichotomy, where us are the ones doing everything right, and the them are the ones causing all the problems.

I don't know, maybe it's a Jesus/Pharisees kind of need, or modeled after it, maybe.

But it doesn't fair well in the love your neighbor neighborhood ; well I guess it depends on the degree that we love ourselves, if at all, that then affecting our estimation , or disaffecting it, of our neighbor, that we can't love because we don't for whatever reason love our self.

But for those that hate themselves, then it's a full on misanthrope ... everyone is a them.

I don't know ... just sayin'.
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For those who did not read it, the PA Department of Health shows 76,336 residents in an Elk County nursing home died of the virus when it is licensed to house 133 residents which had reported NO cases with either residents or staff at the facility. This goes beyond the pale of false reporting!"
Please note that the beautiful, but very rural, Elk County has only 31,946 residents. How could 2.5 times the total number of county residents be reported Covid-19 deaths at one nursing home? Exaggerated stories like this have been reported all around the country.
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Please note that the beautiful, but very rural, Elk County has only 31,946 residents. How could 2.5 times the total number of county residents be reported Covid-19 deaths at one nursing home? Exaggerated stories like this have been reported all around the country.
What I read about this is they possibly uploaded data into the wrong fields! Measurements of all this are certainly imperfect, because imperfect people are trying to measure it. But also, there may be be an agenda being worked on. However, I don't want to automatically construe any error as being part of an agenda of some sort. (people are seeing all kinds of conspiracies these days, both conservative and liberal . . .)

Let's face it - any data and information we receive from men, will likely have some issue to it. Only Him and his Word are to be trusted 100%!!!!!
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For those who did not read it, the PA Department of Health shows 76,336 residents in an Elk County nursing home died of the virus when it is licensed to house 133 residents which had reported NO cases with either residents or staff at the facility. This goes beyond the pale of false reporting!"
Were they stocking the nursing home(s)??? from elsewhere??? If not, all I see is a bunch of idiot clowns. The PA Dept of Health should be made to wear those big clown feet shoes, so we can spot 'em right off. The conspiracy theory that it's an attempt to bugger the economy couldn't be true. If all of this is true, there's no worry of a conspiracy. They aren't sharp enough to conspire anything that wouldn't end up anything but nutty.

Forget reforming the police. First reform the PA Dept of Health.

And let's widen our field, I think, today, the whole world is in need of reforming. It wouldn't surprise me if it turns out that just exposure to Covid tweaks the brain and makes it go a little haywire ; and that's why the world is as crazy as it is "out there." And the Covid-crazies that have this early symptom, don't even test positive for Covid. That's my conspiracy theory. And there does seem to be plenty of evidence that it just may turn out to be true.
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Were they stocking the nursing home(s)??? from elsewhere??? If not, all I see is a bunch of idiot clowns. The PA Dept of Health should be made to wear those big clown feet shoes, so we can spot 'em right off. The conspiracy theory that it's an attempt to bugger the economy couldn't be true. If all of this is true, there's no worry of a conspiracy. They aren't sharp enough to conspire anything that wouldn't end up anything but nutty.

Forget reforming the police. First reform the PA Dept of Health.

And let's widen our field, I think, today, the whole world is in need of reforming. It wouldn't surprise me if it turns out that just exposure to Covid tweaks the brain and makes it go a little haywire ; and that's why the world is as crazy as it is "out there." And the Covid-crazies that have this early symptom, don't even test positive for Covid. That's my conspiracy theory. And there does seem to be plenty of evidence that it just may turn out to be true.
Yes, it's all coo-coo bananas out there! God's answer was not to try and fix any of it, but rather to plant it 6 feet under. Death and resurrection in Christ, the one new man is His answer to all Adam's predicament! Praise Him! Watch and pray, brothers! Watch and pray!
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Yes, it's all coo-coo bananas out there! God's answer was not to try and fix any of it, but rather to plant it 6 feet under. Death and resurrection in Christ, the one new man is His answer to all Adam's predicament! Praise Him! Watch and pray, brothers! Watch and pray!
How many millions of years has God allowed Adam's predicament to continue? Watch and pray is all we have.

The precession of the equinoxes, that's been going round and round for circa 5 billions years, takes 26000 years to come back around. Will we -- them -- be around to watch and pray then? They have been going around and around before, during, and after, the dinosaurs. Will we humans even be around for the next round about?
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How many millions of years has God allowed Adam's predicament to continue? Watch and pray is all we have.

The precession of the equinoxes, that's been going round and round for circa 5 billions years, takes 26000 years to come back around. Will we -- them -- be around to watch and pray then? They have been going around and around before, during, and after, the dinosaurs. Will we humans even be around for the next round about?
I wondered if you might respond with something like that, as I ran across the perfect verse again just this morning which pertains to it: "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." I remember when I got some light on this verse a couple years ago. He does not want anyone to be destroyed, but wants everyone to repent! And this is THE very reason He is delaying His coming - that more of us would be saved (or grow in grace)!

Why is this so? BECAUSE HE LOVES US!!!!!!!!! This is His primary motivation ---> Hallelujah!
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How many millions of years has God allowed Adam's predicament to continue? Watch and pray is all we have.

The precession of the equinoxes, that's been going round and round for circa 5 billions years, takes 26000 years to come back around. Will we -- them -- be around to watch and pray then? They have been going around and around before, during, and after, the dinosaurs. Will we humans even be around for the next round about?
Adam's predicament is well less than 10 thousand years. Won't be long now. "Behold, I come quickly!"
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Adam's predicament is well less than 10 thousand years. Won't be long now. "Behold, I come quickly!"
How do you know Adam's predicament is well less than 10,000 yrs?

And the first generation of Jesus disciples and followers believed, based upon the words of Jesus, that Jesus would return before the end of their own generation.

Personally I think, based upon a 1000 yrs is like a day to God, that Jesus has been gone for 2 days. Let's give him a chance to spend at least a couple of weeks to visit his dad.
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I got the Wall Chart of World History.
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According to whom?
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The greatest history book the world has ever known!
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Book, chapter, and verse, please.
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The Bible. The Book of Genesis. Start with Chapter 5. Read it for a change.
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Boy bro Ohio, I'll bet you're laughing your butt off by sending me on a wild goose chase.

Genesis doesn't say anything about when Adam, AND Eve were CREATED.

So do you have any other proof of Adam's predicament being less than 10,000 yrs? And don't send me on another wild goose chase.

Book, chapter, and verse, please.
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Boy bro Ohio, I'll bet you're laughing your butt off by sending me on a wild goose chase.

Genesis doesn't say anything about when Adam, AND Eve were CREATED.

So do you have any other proof of Adam's predicament being less than 10,000 yrs? And don't send me on another wild goose chase.

Book, chapter, and verse, please.
Add up the years bro. Roughly 6,000 years ago.
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Why should I do that? It's already been done by the 17th c. Primate of all Ireland, archbishop James Ussher, who admitted that there were gaps that he had to fill in, but still without certainty determined that God created the earth on Sunday Oct. 23, 4004 ... and silly gullible Christians fell for it, and believe it ... like you ... like the Bible is a math book ... and can be used to add up up the generations ... when that's not the purpose of the Bible, and can't be used in that way.

He can't be faulted. Ussher lived before the age of science, that determined scientifically the actual age of the earth being circa 4.5 billion years ago ; besides even before the discovery of the gap theory ; and so his calculation was falsely based ; not according to science ; falsely believing the Bible is science based.

The truth is, in the Bible there is no book, chapter, and verse, that tells when Adam's predicament began. The truth also is, Ussher's calculation is extra-Biblical, and based on a false premise.

So again, show me book, chapter, and verse(s), that tells when Adam's predicament began. If you can't, you're basing your conclusion on a false premise ... and is not convincing in the least.
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Why should I do that? It's already been done by the 17th c. Primate of all Ireland, archbishop James Ussher, who admitted that there were gaps that he had to fill in, but still without certainty determined that God created the earth on Sunday Oct. 23, 4004 ... and silly gullible Christians fell for it, and believe it ... like you ... like the Bible is a math book ... and can be used to add up up the generations ... when that's not the purpose of the Bible, and can't be used in that way.

He can't be faulted. Ussher lived before the age of science, that determined scientifically the actual age of the earth being circa 4.5 billion years ago ; besides even before the discovery of the gap theory ; and so his calculation was falsely based ; not according to science ; falsely believing the Bible is science based.

The truth is, in the Bible there is no book, chapter, and verse, that tells when Adam's predicament began. The truth also is, Ussher's calculation is extra-Biblical, and based on a false premise.

So again, show me book, chapter, and verse(s), that tells when Adam's predicament began. If you can't, you're basing your conclusion on a false premise ... and is not convincing in the least.
There you go ramting on whether Usher got his day, hour, and year wrong. Who cares? Every measurement has inaccuracies and needs a safety factor. Usher used the best known historical records known to man to arrive at his 4004 BC date. I'll give him a +/- 25% safety factor. That means a range of 4,004 +/- 1,000 years before the birth of Christ to identify Adam's lineage.

Your demands here border on the idiotic. It's like you are asking me to show you the book, chapter, and verse in the Bible that this is the year 2020. Then demanding that I prove it. Even the scientists admit that the year 2020 might be off a few years.

Perhaps I need one of those online picture tests to prove you are not a computer bot. Check the box that you are not a robot. I need more "proof."
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How about, more accurately, a 800,000% safety factor.
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How about, more accurately, a 800,000% safety factor.
The Apostle Paul warned us about all that fake stuff you been reading about:
O Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you, avoiding godless chatter and the opposing arguments of what is falsely called “science” — which some have professed and thus gone astray from the faith. -- (I Tim 6.20-21)
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The Apostle Paul warned us about all that fake stuff you been reading about:
O Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you, avoiding godless chatter and the opposing arguments of what is falsely called “science” — which some have professed and thus gone astray from the faith. -- (I Tim 6.20-21)
So Paul, or whoever wrote the pastorals, are behind Christian's destine for science. And science back then was false science.

Plus, Paul didn't know about the gap theory, written about by G. H. Pember. and others during the 19th c. ; Christian's trying to explain findings by archaeologists, or again, the scientists. At least they acknowledged science. While you want to dismiss all science ... or all science that disagrees with your interpretation of the Bible ... that was written by Flat Earther's ... and of the Bronze and Iron ages ... and were ignorant of most things children today take for granted.
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So, this discussion is now off topic, but let me add - myself and many I meet with generally subscribe to the so-called Gap Theory. There are also some among us who go with a more traditional creationism idea (i.e., everything was created a few thousand years ago). We almost never discuss this in my circle, unless maybe 1-on-1, as it's not a specific article of the faith and can be a major distraction from the pursuit of Christ.

I used to be very dogmatic and would get quite excited about this topic with others, taking the line that Pember's book, Earth's Earliest Ages draws. But I've recently read some pretty good books that dispute the ancient earth idea, others that blur the ancient earth line a little, and still others who support the ancient Earth idea with things even Pember didn't present. I've seen that these types of discussions do little to nothing (probably more on the nothing side) to build each other up - it's really just a facilitating thing to consider. As I walk the Grand Canyon, for instance, I've come to realize that He will show us in an instant how it all actually occurred. (Therefore, what am I to spend my time and energy on in this life, right?)

With that said, I do think there is good support in scripture for the idea of an ancient universe and earth. I don't think it is a "compromise with the theory of evolution" to support that notion, as is the conjecture of some I know. As I'm sure you know, the Gap Theory states that things were created long ago *(Genesis 1:1), then Lucifer rebelled and brought in corruption (Gen 1:2). God was long-suffering with this situation, even though He might have instituted various judgments on that corruption. Eventually God created man to have dominion, and we know the rest of the story. Therefore, I believe man was created 6,000 to 10,000 years ago.

*perhaps billions of years
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So Paul, or whoever wrote the pastorals, are behind Christian's destine for science.

Plus, Paul didn't know about the gap theory, written about by G. H. Pember. and others during the 19th c. ; Christian's trying to explain findings by archaeologists, or again, the scientists. At least they acknowledged science. While you want to dismiss all science ... or all science that disagrees with your interpretation of the Bible ... that was written by Flat Earther's ... and of the Bronze and Iron ages ... and were ignorant of most things children today take for granted.
More fake news: The Bible was written by Flat Earthers.

More fake news: Ohio dismisses all science. (No, just fake science!)

More fake news: All Bronze Age people were ignorant, but all posters here are real "smart."

More fake news: The Apostle Paul who had been to the 3rd Heaven and Paradise knew nothing about the earth before man.

More fake news: Children today, with a video screen stuck to their face are so much smarter than kids even of the last century. (Haven't you seen them in action rioting and tearing down monuments in a city near you.)
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More fake news: The Bible was written by Flat Earthers.

More fake news: Ohio dismisses all science. (No, just fake science!)

More fake news: All Bronze Age people were ignorant, but all posters here are real "smart."

More fake news: The Apostle Paul who had been to the 3rd Heaven and Paradise knew nothing about the earth before man.

More fake news: Children today, with a video screen stuck to their face are so much smarter than kids even of the last century. (Haven't you seen them in action rioting and tearing down monuments in a city near you.)
No, Mr. Fake News guy. Sixteen and a half foot Robert E. Lee still stands on town square. Protesters wanted it removed. But it's owned by The United Daughters of the Confederacy (UDC) ... that support those that went to war against America. Why should we support traitors against America ... in support of slavery? I'm not black but it offends even me.
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No, Mr. Fake News guy. Sixteen and a half foot Robert E. Lee still stands on town square. Protesters wanted it removed. But it's owned by The United Daughters of the Confederacy (UDC) ... that support those that went to war against America. Why should we support traitors against America ... in support of slavery? I'm not black but it offends even me.
So ... Robert E. Lee spreads the Covid disease?

You sure bounce around the universe, both time and space, and are hard to follow.

I think I'll get off this crazy train now.
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I think I'll get off this crazy train now.
Well good - I was just getting ready to suggest you and Mr. Awareness start your own channel here! (kinda like the old Hannity & Combs Show)
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Well good - I was just getting ready to suggest you and Mr. Awareness start your own channel here! (kinda like the old Hannity & Combs Show)
Yeah, it would better fix here :
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Why should we support traitors against America ... in support of slavery? I'm not black but it offends even me.
Robert E Lee ended up on the losing side in American history. Yet he is still part of our history. Tearing down statues and monuments hasn't been restricted to those who fought, lost, and died on the side of the Confederacy, but also abolitionists such as Frederick Douglas, and the memorial of the 54th Massachusetts Infantry Regiment. Anything pertaining to US History is being destroyed or defaced, but not the statue of Lenin in Seattle. No one is touching that.
No, it's not about covid, but about a country and the freedom and liberty for which it stands. Removal of statues and monuments is an effort to erase or recreate history.
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Robert E Lee ended up on the losing side in American history. Yet he is still part of our history. Tearing down statues and monuments hasn't been restricted to those who fought, lost, and died on the side of the Confederacy, but also abolitionists such as Frederick Douglas, and the memorial of the 54th Massachusetts Infantry Regiment. Anything pertaining to US History is being destroyed or defaced, but not the statue of Lenin in Seattle. No one is touching that.
No, it's not about covid, but about a country and the freedom and liberty for which it stands. Removal of statues and monuments is an effort to erase or recreate history.
How crazy is that! A statue of Lenin, not in Saint Petersburg, but in Seattle!

This whole thing never was about race or BLM. How many black folks and black kids have to die to figure that out.

Every time I watch CNN or MSNBC I am just shocked at the deception, the misinformation, and the brainwashing propaganda.
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Robert E Lee ended up on the losing side in American history. Yet he is still part of our history. Tearing down statues and monuments hasn't been restricted to those who fought, lost, and died on the side of the Confederacy, but also abolitionists such as Frederick Douglas, and the memorial of the 54th Massachusetts Infantry Regiment. Anything pertaining to US History is being destroyed or defaced, but not the statue of Lenin in Seattle. No one is touching that.
No, it's not about covid, but about a country and the freedom and liberty for which it stands. Removal of statues and monuments is an effort to erase or recreate history.
We shouldn't be proud of those that attacked America in support of slavery. We shouldn't be proud of traitors to America..
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We shouldn't be proud of those that attacked America in support of slavery. We shouldn't be proud of traitors to America..
Ya know I have to say that I don't think it was the Spirit of love operating in the governments of the south, both before and after the Civil War . . . (just look at 1 Cor 13 to see if any of those attributes were in play there)
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We shouldn't be proud of those that attacked America in support of slavery. We shouldn't be proud of traitors to America..
True. The right side came out victorious and it was not the confederacy.
I would compare US History to Local Church History. You cannot cherry-pick that which is convenient. History is history even if it is uncomfortable.
The local churches try to erase certain personalities from it's history just as left-leaning groups try to erase our own US History. It's one thing to campaign against the Confederate legacy, but then expand their campaign to ones fighting against slavery in speech and in action. It's as if they want to edit US History. Maybe even seek to have the United States no longer exist as a country is their end game.
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This whole thing never was about race or BLM. How many black folks and black kids have to die to figure that out.
It's about elections and not about communities. Only in election years does BLM rise to the forefront. Not in 2019 and not in 2017.
How is it BLM is not a non-profit? Perhaps political campaign donations are not tax deductible like a charity or church is.
How about this? Go to:
https://blacklivesmatter.com📁
Click 'donate'. You will be routed to
https://secure.actblue.com/donate/ms_blm_homepage_2019📁
Who is ActBlue?
https://secure.actblue.com📁
Powering Democratic candidates, committees, parties, organizations, and c4s around the country.
ALL DONATIONS TO BLM ARE ROUTED THROUGH A DEMOCRAT-ONLY FUNDING ORG.
I think it is safe to say 100% of donations to BLM gets routed to Democratic campaigns and organizations.
Really if you think about it's like when we were meeting in the local churches. Money we tithed to our LC would be routed to LSM.
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Have you seen this incredible 2003 TV show that accurately predicted the Chinese Corona Virus, lockdowns, masks, and the HydroxyChloroquine cure?
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Terry,

While it is true that ActBlue is a contribution clearinghouse for Democratic campaigns, it is not a slush fund where anything going in simply goes to Democratic things wherever they want it to go (unless you give generally to one of the PACs or the Democratic Governors fund or something like that). It goes to the particular campaign or other activity that you designate.

If BLM uses ActBlue to collect donations, then you can be relatively sure that its donations go to it and not other political causes. They could have used another organization, PayPal, Apple Pay, or Google Wallet to collect donations.

It is safe to say that contributions to BLM do NOT get routed to Democratic campaigns. That is another conspiracy theory.

Everything is not a Democratic conspiracy. In fact, the only conspiracies that I can find anything substantial about are the efforts to convince everyone that there are conspiracies everywhere.
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Any idea what TV show I would be looking for?

And I assume that you mean the fake HydroxyChloroquine cure.
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Any idea what TV show I would be looking for?

And I assume that you mean the fake HydroxyChloroquine cure.
Why do call it fake when so many thousands have sworn to being healed?

You remind me of that verse about "altered the truth of God into the lie."
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