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Originally Posted by zeek
The march for science was a first step. Scientists are organizing locally. The goal is to get scientists and pro-science people elected to public office at every level and then to change laws and policies in a direction conducive to science. If people adopt your position, defeat is a self-fulfilling prophesy.
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We were in a position at the time of king Solomon (archaeologists have discovered Solomon's mines and they were being run according to the concepts developed during the industrial revolution) to fully develop the industrial revolution with all of its pollution and learning curve. There was a 700 year period from Solomon to the invasion of Babylon. If Israel had undergone a 700 year period of industrial and technological revolution (we have had 150 years) then it is reasonable to assume they would have had trains, skyscrapers, cars, and airplanes. They probably would have had so much pollution that they would have discovered wind turbines and solar.
Therefore when the rest of the world discovered and then adopted this we could have skipped the toxic portion of burning fossil fuel. We could have avoided all of the ecological disasters we have seen this last 150 years and we would have avoided the human catastrophe resulting from these various empires invading each other (Roman Empire, Greek Empire, Medo Persian Empire, and Babylonian Empire). They all would have been stopped by Israel.
Also, you can forget about Ghenghis Khan or even the Crusades.
But man chose a different path, that of "the grass is greener on the other side of the fence". Wars, rape, pillage, coveting, stealing, etc.
This is what drove the policy to invade Iraq. The biggest natural reserves of oil in the world, second only to Saudi Arabia (which had booby trapped their oil fields with dirty nuclear bombs) was Iraq. A very big gas field was discovered in Turkmenistan, which we got access to when we invaded Afghanistan.
This is not about the science, or understanding the science. The US government has understood the science for years and the Pentagon has already put plans in place for the catastrophe of climate change. Hence the call to "build a wall", "Brexit", or "Ms. Le Pen".
Even if the US were to convert tomorrow to being carbon neutral it would be too little too late. We are already in a negative feedback loop with methane hydrates escaping to the atmosphere and a huge loss in ice which reflects sunlight replaced by open ocean which absorbs the light. Most of our dirty factories have already moved to Asia, Mexico and the rest of the third world. We have already passed certain very key milestones, unprecedented CO2 levels in the atmosphere causing acidification of the ocean. Huge loss of biodiversity and habitat, weakening the ability of the Earth to bounce back. Incredible carbon pollution from the burning of fossil fuel and methane from cows. 7 billion people are like a huge ocean liner, it doesn't stop or turn quickly.
Climate change is upon us. If you live within 200 feet of sea level you should move to higher ground while you can still get market value for your home. Other than that prepare for Mad Max to run the country. One day you will reminisce about the good old days when Trump was your biggest worry.
Also, if you have a problem with the Bible talking about Hell fire, try visiting oil development of tar sands in Canada. Visit the oil field in Texas. Visit the land on fire in Pennsylvania. You will smell the sulfur, you will see the hellscape, just don't drink the water. You were warned that we were on a path that leads to hell, you didn't believe it, and now you can see the outskirts as we get closer and closer.
