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Originally Posted by Trapped
Thanks for your fantastic post. Your laughing about my post also gave me a good laugh I sorely needed myself. I was taking the topic so seriously I didn't stop to think about what comical scenarios were being described (I mean poor guy, Lazarus is a beggar covered in sores licked by dogs [as the verses say] and he dies and ends up in someone's underwear instead......hardly the sweet release of death.....)
I agree with your post too. Jesus absolutely made it logical to love gay people. And God so loved the world, which last time I checked, includes everyone. Although I don't know specific concrete reasons why any given person has same-sex attractions, I have heard enough stories of people who say they desperately prayed not to feel that way, and that they have suffered for years where they would do anything to be rid of those attractions that I believe them when they say it's not a choice. That's why I'm on this thread, because I recognize the agony inside a person struggling with something they didn't seem to ask for, and on a basic level I wanted to understand it better in hopes my understanding could some day help someone dealing with it themselves. Or at least I might be the first Christian they encounter in their life who sits and listens and sees them because I had previously taken the time to discuss and comprehend the serious thing they are crushed by, rather than maybe all the other Christians before them who added to their pain.
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And your fantastic post too. Ya got me laughing again Trapped.
I'll tell this story, in a nutshell. In the c. in Ft. Lauderdale Fl a brother and I would meet once a week to study Jessie Penn-Lewis, and her teachings on the cross. That was the times when my questions about Lee were boiling up to the surface.
Eventually I left, or was booted - excommunicated -- from the church. Six months or so afterwards, that brother I was meeting with, in a separate room from wife and kids, came out that he was gay ; telling everyone, including his wife and three kids, his parents, and many in the LC, that he was gay. I was shocked.
But I already loved the brother so we stayed friends. I spent a good decade picking his brain as to what made him gay. It's wasn't a choice. I didn't know it at the time but he was reading about the cross in hopes that it would crucify his gayness away ... and that he was at that time literally beating his head against a cement wall, trying to get it out. He told me that when he came out he finally felt free ; free to be who he really was ... finally.
Clearly it wasn't a choice for him.
But we know why it's got to be a choice. Because in the Bible God judges it ; and God can't judge someone for how He makes them. So for those that consider the Bible to be the inerrant inspired word of God, God condemns homosexuality, so it's got to be a choice. They're wrong, it's not.