Ronnie Chan Introducing Vladimir Putin

[aron]

I read most of the transcript. Ronnie Chan is in a room with the Presidents of Russia, Japan, Korea, Mongolia. He introduces them one by one, then they all have a question-and-answer period. At one point, he asks one of them, "So, how's economic conditions in your country?" and they say, "Oh, things are fine here, growth and stability and whatnot". Then he says, "Oh, good, so my 4 billion dollars that I have invested there is safe, I guess." The $650,000 that Morningstar gave CRI for passing grade was like $5 in the collection plate on Sunday morning. Ronnie Chan could buy 1,500 CRIs for 1 billion dollars, and then he still has 3 billion dollars left over! And that's just counting his investments in one country!

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by aron

I read most of the transcript. Ronnie Chan is in a room with the Presidents of Russia, Japan, Korea, Mongolia. He introduces them one by one, then they all have a question-and-answer period. At one point, he asks one of them, "So, how's economic conditions in your country?" and they say, "Oh, things are fine here, growth and stability and whatnot". Then he says, "Oh, good, so my 4 billion dollars that I have invested there is safe, I guess." The $650,000 that Morningstar gave CRI for passing grade was like $5 in the collection plate on Sunday morning. Ronnie Chan could buy 1,500 CRIs for 1 billion dollars, and then he still has 3 billion dollars left over! And that's just counting his investments in one country!

I thought JND and WN said we should never get into politics because it was "worldly." Apparently hosting the Eastern half of the World Economic Forum sidesteps that problem.

Who is Ronnie Chan? What's his involvment with the local churches?

[UntoHim]

aron, sounds like a good question for you! Fire away!
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[Zezima]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Who is Ronnie Chan? What's his involvment with the local churches?

Theres a conspiracy on this forum that the Chan brothers paid off CRI to publish the “We Were Wrong” article. This stems from public records that show their foundation has only donated to CRI twice: the year before and the year after the article was published.

The Chans are “coworkers” in the the LR, and some of the richest people on the planet.

[Nell]

Originally Posted by Zezima

Theres a conspiracy on this forum that the Chan brothers paid off CRI to publish the “We Were Wrong” article. This stems from public records that show their foundation has only donated to CRI twice: the year before and the year after the article was published.

The Chans are “coworkers” in the the LR, and some of the richest people on the planet.

Who do you think paid him off?

Nell

[Gubei]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I thought JND and WN said we should never get into politics because it was "worldly." Apparently hosting the Eastern half of the World Economic Forum sidesteps that problem.

I do not understand why he is so busy doing business all aroud the world, while leaving me in trouble from the church life in Seoul, Korea, mostly due to his carelessness during this speaking in the church meeting of responsible brothers. He should have tried to correct his mistake, but he just left Korea for another business destination at that time even without any effort to solve the problem he caused.

[Nell]

Originally Posted by Gubei

I do not understand why he is so busy doing business all around the world, while leaving me in trouble from the church life in Seoul, Korea, mostly due to his carelessness during this speaking in the church meeting of responsible brothers. He should have tried to correct his mistake, but he just left Korea for another business destination at that time even without any effort to solve the problem he caused.

I don't know Ronnie Chen, but when looking for an answer to your questions, consider this as a possibility:

1 Timothy 6:9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. 10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

Some love/covet the money of others. This usually means, no one holds the wealthy accountable for their sins. You might consider asking RChen your questions face-to-face. That may not be possible for you, but it would be appropriate.

Nell

[Gubei]

Originally Posted by Nell

You might consider asking RChen your questions face-to-face. That may not be possible for you, but it would be appropriate.

Nell

Nell, according to my observations, it would be their hypocirty than loving money itself that has
caused problems. Ronnie Chan is quite famous among Asian churches than those in the West, because he has "ministered" mostly in Asian countries, while doing business. I guess there would have been no time when he visited Korea except for business trip. He seemed to be proud of his dual jobs (both minster and business man), but I can say that is the root of problem.

To appease your possible curiosity, I will tell you the story I experienced.

He was suffering from jet lag on the day he was supposed to speak the word for the responsible brothers in Korea, meaning physically it was impossible to minister Christ for Korean brothers, but some leading brothers in Korea and he just pushed for the meeting. Terribley, he dropped off to sleep during the meeting, and naturally his speaking was not appropriate. The brother who was in charge of presiding the meeting asked the audience if there is any questions to Ronnie Chan, but no brother dared to ask question, so I volunteered to ask a simple question to wrap up the humdrum meeting ASAP. then Ronnie gave us an unacceptable answer(obviously out of haziness from lack of sleep). Upon listening to his answer, I pointed out that I cannot accept his answer simply because the answer was off the chart and inappropriate. Which was followed by sudden verbal attacks to me from some leading Korean brothers, they were so angry at me like who are you dare to be defiant and ask back to "the brother", the example of both sucessful business man and minister of the word in the LC. I was about 25+ years of church life at that time, with some doubts about unbiblical practices of the LC, and this incident made me stop my churh life in Korea.

I've heard Ronnie Chan just left Korea the next day. If he was a real minister of Christ, would he have just left without any effort to solve the problem he caused? In the NT, we have seen a lot of examples of apostles who really cared for local churches day and night, but Ronnie Chan's ministering is just kind of his "hobby" to mimick the speaking of WN or WL, traveling all over the world doing his own some trillion dollars business.
In short, I think I do not need to contact Ronnie for face to face meeting. His leaving Korea just the next day even without any apolozing word by phone or email or message tell us a lot of things.


The story does not stop at this point. The above mentioned experience is just a tip of iceberg. The more serious things have transpired in Korea, partly (if not mostly) due to this kind of bad examples of doing business in the church life. I just want to pause here for now. The story is too shocking to be true, and I'm not sure if or not it is okay to tell you the whole part in this open forum.

[WitnessALot]

Originally Posted by Gubei

Nell, according to my observations, it would be their hypocirty than loving money itself that has
caused problems. Ronnie Chan is quite famous among Asian churches than those in the West, because he has "ministered" mostly in Asian countries, while doing business. I guess there would have been no time when he visited Korea except for business trip. He seemed to be proud of his dual jobs (both minster and business man), but I can say that is the root of problem.

Hello Gubei, I just want to say thanks for share your story. I know it's hard to talk about. But remember that Lord's Recovery damaged so many people. If people know the truth, it can set them free. If people know about Ronnie Chan mixing up his business with the churches in Korea, then they can begin to see the real situation. But if we are silent, then people cannot know, and they continue to suffer.

Maybe sometime you can feel comfortable to share more of your story. (I sent you a private message.)

[Gubei]

WitnessAlot, I replied to your PM. All things considered, I still feel my full story should be restricted within person to person conversation, but the following is excerpt as much as I feel comfortable of what has transpired in South Korea.

The Churches of South Korea have been under two distinguishable leadership camps almost from its inception. One was anti-Witness Lee camp, the other was pro-Witness Lee camp. The context of this unfortunate beginning was due to the fact that Br. Kown, who brought the Lord's Recovery to South Korea from Taiwan was a kind of dissent from Witness Lee. It is known that Br. Kown was Korean but participated in Chinese army during the 2nd world war, ending up settling in Taiwan and he found the Lord's Recovery there.(I heard that most of Taiwanese saints thought Br. Kown was Chinese because his Chinese speaking accent was almost perfect) However, He returned to South Korea without fellowship with the leadership in Taiwan, and began his own ministry in South Korea. Later during 80's, some saints found the ministry of Witness Lee in the States, and they requested opening up of the door for the mutual fellowship with Churches in the States and LSM but the founding brothers of South Korea at that time refused the request (Br. Kown already passed away, so the leading brothers were Br. Kown's 2nd generation brothers with anti-Witness Lee sentiment), and there was serious division and criticism among each camps. To sum up, two camps reached so called "oneness" with opening up for Churches in the States and LSM agreed upon, but rivalry and hostility among each camps lasted. To make long story short, a serving brother under pro-Witness Lee camp started an unreasonable(where, "unreasonable" is quite euphemistic choice of word by me) business of about 1 billion dollars. Then the pro-witness Lee camp brothers jumped into the business in person, set up a legal business corporation, holding several business pitching ceremonies in the training center, introducing the brothers as "business men" to attendees for fund-raising. As usual, their pretext was for the furtherance of gospel. They claimed they would use the fanicial gain through the business for the Lord. However,finally, the business turned out to be a terrible failure, losing most of fund raised from saints and non-believers, the initiating brother was litigated for the crime of fraud. Then, the leading brother of pro-Witness camp abruptly changed his position and began to criticize the initiating brother with his excuse that he himself was a kind of victim rather than perpetrator. The story thus far is all about Korean brothers, but the more serious part is what and from when the leadership brothers in the States and Taiwan know of this unreasonable business, and how they responded after the business failure confirmed and a really big, tsunami turmoil transpired in South Korea in the wake of that failure.I guess saying this much is appropriated for now. Thanks for listening.

Originally Posted by Gubei

Nell, according to my observations, it would be their hypocirty than loving money itself that has
caused problems. Ronnie Chan is quite famous among Asian churches than those in the West, because he has "ministered" mostly in Asian countries, while doing business. I guess there would have been no time when he visited Korea except for business trip. He seemed to be proud of his dual jobs (both minster and business man), but I can say that is the root of problem. Ronnie Chan's ministering is just kind of his "hobby" to mimick the speaking of WN or WL, traveling all over the world doing his own some trillion dollars business.
Inum.

Does anybody know by any chance whether or not this distinguished 'brother' has ever passed through the Full Time Training? (or is it his billions that qualify him to speak at conferences?)