Lee and LC: Home Runs and Strikeouts

[Cal]

Originally Posted by Drake

Well then friend, I will not accept your terms, now or ever. Nevertheless, I will stand for the truth of God's Word whether you meet me on that basis or not.

Well then friend, everyone who knows me knows I respect the word of God. But I am not, nor have I ever been, interested in quibbling over the minutia of scriptural disparity, especially online. I'm a common sense person. I'm not someone like ZNP or Evangelical who love to go around and around day in and day out in never-ending fashion about every detail of disagreement. That's eventually pointless to me. Typed communication online is not suited to sorting those kinds of things out, and you of all people should know that.

I'm a big picture, essence guy. That's why I love verses like Romans 13:8, "He who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law." God's truth is simple. It's about loving others in Christ and building them up. And the Bible makes very clear, if you have eyes to see it, that you cannot love others unless you love yourself (Matt 22:39).

Anyone can see that on the one hand we need to love ourselves, on the other we need to deny ourselves. But that is really the "self" from two different perspectives. First, as a precious creation of God which he loves, and second as a fallen creation that tends to put itself first. Both sides are true and both are valid.

Lee, in yet another spasm of trying to be brilliant but falling flat, decided that "the self" was a bad thing, "the fallen soul." But the Bible never says that, that's his categorization. The self is simply a person in relationship to himself. That relationship can be holy and healthy, or it can be fallen and unhealthy. But wholesale disregarding of "the self" is not God's thought.

I've noticed you have a problem with relating to people in a warm, brotherly fashion. You are rather cold and distant. This is probably because of self-esteem issues, which are no doubt exacerbated by Witness Lee's flawed doctrine of self-loathing and immolation. Self-loathing and self-denial are not the same thing. In fact, I would even argue that you cannot truly deny yourself unless you truly love yourself.

The Bible says, "Love one another in brotherly AFFECTION" (Romans 12:10). You can't love anyone warmly if you don't feel good about yourself. The soul just doesn't work that way. In fact, the soul doesn't really work well in any fashion if it doesn't feel good about itself. That's just a fact.

By the way, Lee taught we should not have AFFECTION for one another, which was clearly contrary to Romans 12:10, and yet another error of his.

I think it's reasonable to make the point that loving oneself and denying oneself are two sides of the same thing. If you want to quibble to make me look bad or because you go into a panicked frenzy when someone disagrees with your idol, Witness Lee, I'm not interested. Maybe you can look up Evangelical and you and he can hunt around for some minutia you disagree on and argue about it till the cows come home. That would be okay with me as long as I don't have to witness it.