What is the point of control? What do they want?

[GraceAlone]

Thanks for the update. I am genuinely curious (in a bewildered way) as to how the saints can keep attending these events and claiming they’re getting “a fresh speaking.” The themes, messages, outline points and stories seem incredibly redundant.

They also seem increasingly strident and reflective of a bunker mentality. Saints, here are 101 ways you’re probably not doing it right! Or 102 things that are out to get you and cost you the kingdom!!

On a brighter note, the more extreme and biblically sloppy the rhetoric, the more chances saints have to start waking up and taking notice. One friend of mine, for example, once had a clear “wait, WHAT?!” moment during one of those messages that shook him fully awake, drove him to check what he’d heard against the text of the Bible, and was the push he needed toward the exit. Let’s pray for truth to triumph this week and more to be set free.

Originally Posted by I tell the truth

So the training has started. No matter what book they crystalize it comes out to the same message. They are doing 1 and 2 Kings.

That they are now the ministers of the age, with the ministry of the age and with the vision of the age which is to produce and become overcomers. To do this they must deny and let God annihilate the flesh, they must give up and deny the world, defeat Satan, and pass through death and into resurrection.

I noticed that they like to use the old testament as types to prove a point. They said Amalch is a type of our flesh which has to be destroyed. In later messages they will touch on how Jezebel is a type of the Catholic Church.

What I have noticed in my many years is that they're very secluded and confident. They never hold back, each speaker can never go a message without mentioning a WL story. EM, said we are hidden today but one day soon we will be revealed as the sons God. He also made kind of a corny joke that instead of independence day we need to have dependence day everyday with God.

I'll keep you all updated and post if I have any questions.

[alwayscurious]

Originally Posted by GraceAlone

On a brighter note, the more extreme and biblically sloppy the rhetoric, the more chances saints have to start waking up and taking notice. One friend of mine, for example, once had a clear “wait, WHAT?!” moment during one of those messages that shook him fully awake, drove him to check what he’d heard against the text of the Bible, and was the push he needed toward the exit. Let’s pray for truth to triumph this week and more to be set free.

What was your friend's "AHA" moment?

Talking about an AHA moments, quiet few years back I attended a conference, and in one of the messages given by Ron, he said something like, “a man need to learn from their wives how to be a female and the wife, because in heaven we will be a wife, so we might as well start learning now”. Not an exact quote, but the point was made this way (I wish I had an audio of it). I haven’t attended a conference or a training since then. Lunatic talk.

[Recovering]

Originally Posted by alwayscurious

What was your friend's "AHA" moment?

@alwayscurious, I'm pretty sure @GraceAlone was referring to me and my experience in the Crystallization Study of Job in the message on the two trees. I posted about it here.


Since then, I've started thinking about it in terms of this picture, which at first might look like a young woman in a fur looking away from you, but then turns into an old hag in a sudden change of perspective. In that meeting I had a sudden change of perspective. Somehow I had managed to rationalize that message of "good can be distracting" spinning it as a message of don't forget to love the Lord in the midst of your good works. That was the sophisticated young woman in a fur. Then the brother said that "good can be somewhat worse than evil because it's deceptive", and later in response I heard at least two different brothers say something along the lines of "I'm so glad God doesn't want me to try to be a good husband, because I just can't." and it seemed to be an excuse to double down on reading life studies and going to meetings instead of doing the hard work of tending a marriage. That's when I started to "see the hag" and began to really notice the fruit of that kind of teaching everywhere.

[UntoHim]

Excellent post Recovering! Very helpful to all concerned.
Just to let you know, the link you provided does not work.
Here is the link to the post you are referring to:

http://localchurchdiscussions.com/vB...927#post100927
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