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Old 08-11-2011, 09:57 AM   #1
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Let's take the easy way. Let us be like the Pharisees. Let's argue doctrine ...
Yes, because we know if you argue doctrine you therefore must be "like a Pharisee."
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Old 08-11-2011, 10:33 AM   #2
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Yes, because we know if you argue doctrine you therefore must be "like a Pharisee."
I actually didn't mean "like a Pharisee" like the Pharisees depicted in the gospels.

I meant like the Pharisees were back in the first century. They really liked to argue. Not just the two houses, The House of Hillel, and The House of Shammai, argued all the time, but they argued within their own like groups.

The truth is, the arguments Jesus had with the Pharisees was typical Pharisee bantering.

And it's likely that most of the teachings of Jesus came from the house of Hillel, as they were established already by Hillel.

Jesus was, after all, a Jew. And he certainly wasn't a Sadducee. Tho his teaching on divorce was already established by the house of Shammai sect of the Pharisees, who aligned with the Sadducees, the High Priest, and the Romans. Either way, Jesus had to be a Pharisee.

So we're in good company, arguing about doctrine.
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And it's likely that most of the teachings of Jesus came from the house of Hillel, as they were established already by Hillel.
I do know that Jesus clearly took sides in these debates, probably tending more to one than the other.

But don't you think that it is more likely that Hillel got his teachings from God, not the other way around. Jesus didn't take sides because he thought one of them was right. He said what was right. If it turned out that one of them was right, that was great. But it wasn't that Jesus got any teaching from Hillel.
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Old 08-11-2011, 11:54 AM   #4
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I do know that Jesus clearly took sides in these debates, probably tending more to one than the other.

But don't you think that it is more likely that Hillel got his teachings from God, not the other way around. Jesus didn't take sides because he thought one of them was right. He said what was right. If it turned out that one of them was right, that was great. But it wasn't that Jesus got any teaching from Hillel.
That Jesus was raised as a Jew and didn't receive Jewish teachings sounds ridiculous to me...

Hillel died when Jesus started arguing in the synagogues as a teen. He had to know Hillel, and his teachings, and probably met him.
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That Jesus was raised as a Jew and didn't receive Jewish teachings sounds ridiculous to me...

Hillel died when Jesus started arguing in the synagogues as a teen. He had to know Hillel, and his teachings, and probably met him.
You are missing the point. If Jesus is simply a man, then you are right. If he is God, then the fact that anyone had any position is irrelevant to him. He knows what is right. He may take note of what is being taught that is correct. But that is not the same as learning his teachings from Hillel.
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Old 08-11-2011, 12:05 PM   #6
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Harold,

Put a different way, Jesus, as he grew up, may have been taught what some were teaching. But he did not get what is right from that. It was in him. He wasn't taught the right answer by Hillel. Or the other guy. He knew the right answer.
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And after many years in these forums, and 115 posts in this thread, I will repeat the question and the answer.

Q: What have we learned?

A: Evidently not much.
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Old 08-11-2011, 04:38 PM   #8
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I do know that Jesus clearly took sides in these debates, probably tending more to one than the other.

But don't you think that it is more likely that Hillel got his teachings from God, not the other way around. Jesus didn't take sides because he thought one of them was right. He said what was right. If it turned out that one of them was right, that was great. But it wasn't that Jesus got any teaching from Hillel.
IMHO,

Jesus is GOD.

He acknowledged the truth because He is The Truth/The Way.

God in The flesh full of all wisdom and is all Wisdom. to those who seek Him.

To those who don't seek Him, They are completely disappointed in their own folly.

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believe and recieve The One Who is above All and In Whosoever.

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