Subtle Issues of Right and Wrong During the late 80s Rebellion

[manna-man]

I was once was trouble by something in my earlier years and went to an elder for advice that would console my spirit from my distress .

He looked at me with a concerned look on his face and asked...Did you bring this before The Lord?

I was embarrassed to say that I hadn't. He understood somewhat and encouraged me to do so. What a life lesson!

I learned to run to The Lord for all things instead of man That experience needed to happen for me to get it.
I now laugh at that experience.
What say ye brother ?

Should I comment on something I know very little about?

The only answer I can give is to follow what your concience is convicting you to do but first ask Him.
This is right.

Peace

[rayliotta]

Originally Posted by manna-man

Should I comment on something I know very little about?

I guess you think we just shouldn't be discussing the things from the 80's? Or else you're referring to something else, that I'm totally missing here?...

[manna-man]

I am not sure what you are missing. I believe brother ZNP understood.

Good night Ray.
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[rayliotta]

Good night, sir.
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[TLFisher]

Originally Posted by manna-man

Did you bring this before The Lord?

The only answer I can give is to follow what your concience is convicting you to do but first ask Him.

That is I how I approached marriage and who to marry. As for the matter of quarantines, there's a relative 20 year history going on. Bringing to the Lord and heeding your conscience may not be in agreement to man's concepts. There were and are brothers who out of the Lord's leading and out of their conscience choose not to obey the quarantine. For some they were conscientious objectors, but considered divisive by LSM for not heeding the quarantine. As I paraphrase, those who followed the Lord's leading, were "rebelling aganist the feeling of the Body".
Understand?

[manna-man]

Originally Posted by Terry

That is I how I approached marriage and who to marry. As for the matter of quarantines, there's a relative 20 year history going on. Bringing to the Lord and heeding your conscience may not be in agreement to man's concepts. There were and

are brothers who out of the Lord's leading and out of their conscience choose not to obey the quarantine. For some they were conscientious objectors, but considered divisive by LSM for not heeding the quarantine. As I paraphrase, those who followed the Lord's leading, were "rebelling aganist the feeling of the Body".
Understand?

I understand. You are preaching to the choir.

We have had more than twenty years to examine our history. If we are honest with ourselves we will come to the reality of the situation.

This reality 'if'' we are truely seeking Him, is whether or not we are indeed following the leading and our concience.

Yes, we have the human equation also. People who enter in innocent or not wise enough to detect the spiritual dangers.

The Lord is able to preserve those who are faithful to Him. Yet, there will always be those who will be tossed by the waves and carried away in the currents of the self.

This by no means gives us a license to disregaured the high calling of Holyness in Christ Jesus.

May we maintain a healthy reverence of Him for to fear God is the begining of Wisdom.

As always Peace.

Don Jr

[Indiana]

Something I always have in mind as I write is the oneness we have in Christ and the portion we all share of Christ, as saints in the light. Whether those on the forum or those I write about, we all share a common life within and should be one. Addressing the problems can be viewed as a positive matter, if our endeavor is, principally, for "keeping the oneness of the Spirit in the uniting bond of peace."

www.lordsrecovery.us/DivineRomance.pdf

[rayliotta]

Originally Posted by Indiana

www.lordsrecovery.us/DivineRomance.pdf

Steve, who wrote this article? I notice it sounds like it might have been written by Witness Lee, yet the author is not credited?

[OBW]

Originally Posted by Indiana

Something I always have in mind as I write is the oneness we have in Christ and the portion we all share of Christ, as saints in the light.

For everyone:

When I read a sentence such as this, I wonder what we meant by these phrases during our days in the LRC.

Was the "oneness we have in Christ" unique among those in the LRC or did that include all Christians without reservation?

What is the "portion we all share of Christ"? It seems that "portion of Christ" was thrown about quite a bit. It was an important part of the unique terminology in our lexicon. What exactly did this mean and where did we get it?

When we said "as saints in the light," did we consider that to be somehow unique to the LRC? Is there still a lingering sense that there are saints that are not "in the light" based on our assessment of their affiliation? If we say or hear the word "saints" do we automatically think of all Christians or do we think in terms of some subset, even if greater than just the LRC?

I think that the first is not so much of a problem to me any more. I understand oneness to be about Christ and not about anything specific to any particular group of Christians. But as terms like "portion of Christ" or even "saints" are seldom to never used, I think I still narrow my thoughts to those few who meet with the LRC.

But the more I think about it, the less certain I am what a "portion of Christ" was meant to be even in the LRC. It almost seems to be code for something that is not quite the same as simply sharing Christian fellowship.

And I still hear "saints" bandied about like some unique status for those in the LRC.

[Indiana]

The document entitled The Divine Romance I had condensed from Brother Lee's first life-study message of the Bible, which he began in Romans, 1975. (I failed to mention this but planned to do so today.)

I added or changed the message only slightly and had the condensed version printed as a tract several years ago. It was a striking overview of the Bible that I had never heard and wanted to share with others.

Significant Note that helped lead to my demise in the church: I turned this and two other tracts in to the elders in Seattle for their review and fellowship and possible endorsement of them for use by the church. Six weeks later they did not get back to me. So I tried again and another six weeks went by. Then I contacted them and they finally got back to me and did feel good about the tracts and we put them out on the counter in the meeting hall area for the saints and new ones. But this lack of communication by them bothered me very much. We had no tracts in the meeting hall and I had labored to provide some for the gospel.

I can't remember the sequence of events, but I was to contact LSM and ask their permisssion for the use of their material that was at least interspersed in the text of my tracts. So, I wrote to LSM and asked for their permission. Not only 6 weeks went by, 6 months went by; then another six months; altogether two years went by before I confronted Andrew Yu in Seattle where he was giving a conference and let him know I was certainly not happy with him and LSM for ignoring my requests for fellowship. He looked down then admitted to me that they don't answer such requests, but just drop the letter into a box. He said that when he returned to Anaheim he would bring the matter up with the staff about getting back to those who write to them expecting a response. A month later I got a note of apology from LSM, no names signed.

This, of course, happened during the new way movement and they had their agenda, and it didn't include paying attention to me as a little member asking for fellowship. This was added to my observation and experience of the great lack of shepherding in my locality of those especially who were not so lined up with the new way program. I was very much bothered - because this was not the body of Christ, but something else in actuality. Then when I read John Ingalls' book I saw the problem and could and would begin to define it in commentaries.

[ZNPaaneah]

I find this to be a fascinating testimony, truly. Consider this, LSM is involved in the FTT because all saints need to be trained to preach the gospel, spread the word, shepherd, perfect, etc. Now here is a brother that is doing just that, and is doing this according to fellowship, and is merely asking for permission to use WL material for this purpose and they, as a matter of standard procedure, deep six the request. Now if this brother had just ignored protocol and gone ahead and printed these up word probably would have gotten back to the LSM and within days they would have been contacted, perhaps even by the legal team at LSM.

What is particularly interesting about this is that it is not an isolated event, this is in fact a common testimony concerning the LSM. So I find it fascinating that they expend so much energy talking about how burdened they are to train saints, yet they won't so much as lift a pinky finger to help a brother out that is motivated to function.

It almost makes you feel like the burden to train saints is not really that genuine.