Four Areas where W. Lee was Flat Wrong

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Igzy

Again, I think this verse supports my case. It establishes that transformation is a matter of the mind being renewed. That to me means we learn to think differently (of course, as taught by the Spirit and the Word). What else would mind renewal mean except that our thinking is changed?

Well there are two ways to change your mind, one is "conformed to the world" and the other is "renewing of your mind".

According to Paul our mind became new when we were saved, in fact "all things were made new". Likewise we are now a new creation which must include our mind. According to Paul and you Christ came into my spirit when I was saved and made me a new creation. It was this process of Christ coming into us that made us new.

So to me it is reasonable that "renew" refers to every experience you have of Christ, similar to when you first had faith to receive Him, that has a renewing effect on your mind as well. Therefore, in my understanding the process of Christ coming into me didn't just make my spirit new it made all things new, and every subsequent experience I have of Christ has a similar "renewing of my mind". Therefore I feel it is unreasonable to say that Christ does not infuse, saturate, work himself into your mind, or whatever terminology you wish. I don't think this is a matter of the faith though. If someone disagrees with the teaching I think they are free to do so, but I think it is offensive to say that this teaching is "flat wrong".

This is my understanding based on my experience. It doesn't bother me that you see it differently, but I don't understand why my experience is "flat wrong".

[Cal]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

This is my understanding based on my experience. It doesn't bother me that you see it differently, but I don't understand why my experience is "flat wrong".

You haven't shown how your experience shows Christ is now part of your soul. All you've shown is that Christ has had an effect on you. That doesn't prove he's become part of your soul. Neither have you addressed my question of if Christ is part of your soul now, where in your soul is he? Can you talk directly to the Christ in your soul? If not, why not? When your soul sins, where does the Christ in your soul go? You are not thinking about any of these questions. You just keep making the claim and referring to types.

See, the "Christ has moved out into my soul" meme sounds good. It sounds all warmly mystical. I realize the attraction of that. But when really examined, it falls apart. It starts to look like unverifiable, abstract mumbo-jumbo.

It may be true, may not. We have no way of knowing. So why go there?

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Igzy

You haven't shown how your experience shows Christ is now part of your soul. All you've shown is that Christ has had an effect on you. That doesn't prove he's become part of your soul. Neither have you addressed my question of if Christ is part of your soul now, where in your soul is he? Can you talk directly to the Christ in your soul? If not, why not? When your soul sins, where does the Christ in your soul go? You are not thinking about any of these questions. You just keep making the claim and referring to types.

See, the "Christ has moved out into my soul" meme sounds good. It sounds all warmly mystical. I realize the attraction of that. But when really examined, it falls apart. It starts to look like unverifiable, abstract mumbo-jumbo.

It may be true, may not. We have no way of knowing. So why go there?

I have shown how my mind has changed, and that the process of that change was different than that of reforming yourself. I have never used the terminology "Christ has moved out into my soul", I assume your quote marks are for WL/LRC jargon. In my experience Christ resides in my spirit. When I sin Christ doesn't go anywhere, He objects and makes me miserable until I repent.

I have heard many things from many Christians both within the LRC and without that I may not agree with or that I may not understand what they are saying. If it is not a tenant of the faith I don't make a big deal of it. Perhaps they know something I don't, perhaps they don't. My feeling is that the worst thing is to be tossed to and fro with every wind, instead I file it away and if the Lord wants to reveal something to me He can. My primary objection was that you said the teaching was "flat wrong" and I don't see that. Second you gave an explanation of what transformation is really about and I didn't see that at all. I feel it fails my test on the three criteria.

[Cal]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

My primary objection was that you said the teaching was "flat wrong" and I don't see that.

Okay, let me officially change the title of this thread to:

Four Areas where W. Lee was Most Likely Flat Wrong

Will that make you happy?

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Igzy

Okay, let me officially change the title of this thread to:

Four Areas where W. Lee was Most Likely Flat Wrong

Will that make you happy?

I have been happy ever since you started this thread. Do you mean "will that make you more happy?"