Andy Anderson on the "Overcomers"

UntoHim · 11-07-2012, 04:03 PM

ZNP,
As a former Local Churcher you should be intimately familiar with 1 Corinthians 15. I use the word "should" here advisedly, because the truth is that Witness Lee taught us all to have tunnel vision regarding this chapter. We all focused on verse 45"b"(the last Adam became a life giving spirit), so much so that we lost track of the context in which verse 45 should be placed in. The context - the immediate context - from verse 35 through the end of the chapter is crystal clear: "But someone will say, 'How are the dead raised? And with what kind of body do they come?' ".

To put the finest point possible on this part of the chapter, the apostle Paul is explaining to the Corinthians in the most basic and clearest way, that we have a physical "earthy" body which will be transformed "in the twinkling of an eye" into a "spiritual", "incorruptible" body. Verse 45, when taken in context of this section of chapter 15, is simply stating that Jesus Christ was the forerunner in this mysterious, glorious and wonderful transformation. If verse 45 is telling us that Jesus Christ became the Holy Spirit then we are all going to become the Holy Spirit

Anyway, from verse 35 to the end of the chapter is answering your question in vivid detail.

ZNPaaneah · 11-07-2012, 04:16 PM

Very nice, so this reconciles the term "the dead in Christ are raised". Our physical death is likened to a seed being sown, and our resurrection is likened to the seed sprouting and rising up as a spiritual body, similar to the Lord's resurrection. The Last Adam becoming a life giving spirit is the forerunner for all men. This corresponds nicely with the accounts of people who have been resuscitated since they can recognize people, just like the disciples could recognize Jesus yet His body was clearly a spiritual body.

I think this little distraction should make it very clear that just like the church in Laodicea which was so sure that they were rich and knew all mysteries and were clueless that they were in fact blind, in the same way the LRC is blind. They are quite confident that they know that Christianity is "wrong" to say that when they die they will go to heaven, yet the truth according to the NT is that when we die "we will be with Christ", and Jesus is in heaven at the right hand of God.

In addition they confuse Jesus resurrecting with a spiritual body with the different persons of the godhead, muddling up their teaching on the trinity and missing the idea that we all will be raised with a spiritual body, since we all are "Adam".

Christianity has the right idea but didn't have the verses to support it, as a result the teaching seems erroneous. Confusing Paradise with Heaven in the verse with the Thief. This is a good reason why we need to know the verses that the teachings are built on and not just the teaching.

ICor 15 also points out that "some will ask..." As Christians who have fellowship with Jesus we should be aware of the things in the heavens, not just those on the earth (Jn. 3:11-13) and if someone asks these questions we should be able to explain these things intelligently. This is further testimony that Jesus is Lord.

11-07-2012, 04:03 PM	#1
UntoHim Οὕτως γὰρ ἠγάπησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸν κόσμον For God So Loved The World Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 3,828	Re: Andy Anderson on the "Overcomers" ZNP, As a former Local Churcher you should be intimately familiar with 1 Corinthians 15. I use the word "should" here advisedly, because the truth is that Witness Lee taught us all to have tunnel vision regarding this chapter. We all focused on verse 45"b"(the last Adam became a life giving spirit), so much so that we lost track of the context in which verse 45 should be placed in. The context - the immediate context - from verse 35 through the end of the chapter is crystal clear: *"But someone will say, 'How are the dead raised? And with what kind of body do they come?' ". To put the finest point possible on this part of the chapter, the apostle Paul is explaining to the Corinthians in the most basic and clearest way, that we have a physical "earthy" body which will be transformed "in the twinkling of an eye" into a "spiritual", "incorruptible" body. Verse 45, when taken in context of this section of chapter 15, is simply stating that Jesus Christ was the forerunner in this mysterious, glorious and wonderful transformation. If verse 45 is telling us that Jesus Christ became the Holy Spirit then we are all going to become the Holy Spirit Anyway, from verse 35 to the end of the chapter is answering your question in vivid detail. __________________ αὐτῷ ἡ δόξα καὶ τὸ κράτος εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας τῶν αἰώνων ἀμήν - 1 Peter 5:11*

11-07-2012, 04:16 PM	#2
ZNPaaneah Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 7,105	Re: Andy Anderson on the "Overcomers" Very nice, so this reconciles the term "the dead in Christ are raised". Our physical death is likened to a seed being sown, and our resurrection is likened to the seed sprouting and rising up as a spiritual body, similar to the Lord's resurrection. The Last Adam becoming a life giving spirit is the forerunner for all men. This corresponds nicely with the accounts of people who have been resuscitated since they can recognize people, just like the disciples could recognize Jesus yet His body was clearly a spiritual body. I think this little distraction should make it very clear that just like the church in Laodicea which was so sure that they were rich and knew all mysteries and were clueless that they were in fact blind, in the same way the LRC is blind. They are quite confident that they know that Christianity is "wrong" to say that when they die they will go to heaven, yet the truth according to the NT is that when we die "we will be with Christ", and Jesus is in heaven at the right hand of God. In addition they confuse Jesus resurrecting with a spiritual body with the different persons of the godhead, muddling up their teaching on the trinity and missing the idea that we all will be raised with a spiritual body, since we all are "Adam". Christianity has the right idea but didn't have the verses to support it, as a result the teaching seems erroneous. Confusing Paradise with Heaven in the verse with the Thief. This is a good reason why we need to know the verses that the teachings are built on and not just the teaching. ICor 15 also points out that "some will ask..." As Christians who have fellowship with Jesus we should be aware of the things in the heavens, not just those on the earth (Jn. 3:11-13) and if someone asks these questions we should be able to explain these things intelligently. This is further testimony that Jesus is Lord.