The LCS Factor

djohnson(XLCmember) · 08-17-2008, 09:16 AM

Essentially what Hope has done on this thread is try to present himself and his "locality" as an exception. Even if he was the exception so what? He says he was basically marked out and persecuted for it by the Lee addicts - which more or less proves the point of the thread.

16 people. 8 people. This room. That room. All moot. Unless the woman is outright lying the event happened. And Roger has brought up an excellent point which I suggested in my original thread: the hypocrisy of the leadership. Berating a young lady for kissing a boy while covering up for Mr. Lee's son who was running LSM!

And let it also be pointed out per Ingalls book that when he wanted to discuss with Phillips and Graver the behavior of Lee's son they both adamantly refused to listen because why? Because it was a "local matter" restricted to Anaheim. Are these the same guys who think kissing a boy is an extra local matter? I said in the another forum that the leadership of the LCS are full of Baloney. Hey maybe that's a better description than addiction!

TLFisher · 08-17-2008, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by djohnson

And let it also be pointed out per Ingalls book that when he wanted to discuss with Phillips and Graver the behavior of Lee's son they both adamantly refused to listen because why? Because it was a "local matter" restricted to Anaheim. Are these the same guys who think kissing a boy is an extra local matter? I said in the another forum that the leadership of the LCS are full of B.S. Hey maybe that's a better description than addiction!

djohnson, maybe this isn't the right thread for this response, but have you considered Benson Phillips and Ray Graver did not want to listen to John Ingall's fellowship involving Witness Lee's son, because it would not have served their purpose to do so?

Terry

djohnson(XLCmember) · 08-17-2008, 09:48 AM

Have I considered it?

That's a good one! No doubt they already knew about it and were ten steps ahead of Ingalls.

kisstheson · 08-17-2008, 09:52 AM

Dear ones,

The hypocrisy of the LCS that has been exposed here is really alarming. It seems that these brothers had no problem going after "wayward" sisters, like Thankful Jane and BlessD, but they refused to deal with brothers whose sins were much greater. WL's son was simply never dealt with, and brother "Ben", the adulterous elder, was quietly moved to another locality where he could prey upon another weak marriage situation. All this is in direct contradiction to 1 Timothy 5:19-21 :

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"Against an elder do not receive an accusation, except based upon two or three witnesses. The ones who sin reprove before all that the rest also may have fear. I solemnly charge you before God and Christ Jesus and the chosen angels that you keep these things without prejudice, doing nothing by way of partiality."

The fact that sisters Thankful Jane and BlessD have been able to put all this behind them and have both gone on with the Lord is such positive ways is very encouraging! I have really been enjoying lately some speakings and writings of non-LSM brothers who have/had very rich ministries, but who did not carry around all this "extra junk" that has corrupted the LCS. Brothers like Stephen Kaung, TAS, Ian Thomas, Bakht Singh, etc. How wonderful it is to be able to fall in love with our beloved Christ all over again, without all the extra baggage like the peer pressure in the LCS, "The Minister of The Age", "Quarantines", LSM headquarters in Anaheim, etc. O to be able to return to the freedom and simplicity in Christ that is ours by virtue of our new birth in Him!

TLFisher · 08-20-2008, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kisstheson

I have really been enjoying lately some speakings and writings of non-LSM brothers who have/had very rich ministries, but who did not carry around all this "extra junk" that has corrupted the LCS. Brothers like Stephen Kaung, TAS, Ian Thomas, Bakht Singh, etc. How wonderful it is to be able to fall in love with our beloved Christ all over again, without all the extra baggage like the peer pressure in the LCS, "The Minister of The Age", "Quarantines", LSM headquarters in Anaheim, etc. O to be able to return to the freedom and simplicity in Christ that is ours by virtue of our new birth in Him!

kisstheson, I have not forgotten about this wonderful post of yours. It is so very true. When we've been locked in with one minstry for so many years, sight is lost of other rich ministries. From my exposure void of quarantines, void of lawsuits, etc. Just to have the freedom and simplicity in Christ that I yearn.

With grace,

Terry

kisstheson · 08-20-2008, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Terry

kisstheson, I have not forgotten about this wonderful post of yours. It is so very true. When we've been locked in with one minstry for so many years, sight is lost of other rich ministries. From my exposure void of quarantines, void of lawsuits, etc. Just to have the freedom and simplicity in Christ that I yearn.

With grace,

Terry

Dear Terry,

In this very fast-paced thread, I had completely forgotten about that post! Thank you for noticing and thank you for the kind words.

We surely did lose sight of other rich ministries didn't we? Those other rich ministries could have had such a healthy, balancing, and healing effect on the LC. Much of what is being discussed here surely could have been prevented by an openess to receive the help available in other rich portions of the New Testament Ministry.

Like you, I yearn for a return to the full freedom and simplicity in Christ that the loving heart of our heavenly Father longs to give us. O, to just be simple in Christ! O, to just be free in Him! This is how human beings, made in the image and likeness of God, are meant to be!

That old Shaker hymn really had it right:

" 'Tis a gift to be simple . . . 'Tis a gift to be free."

08-17-2008, 09:16 AM	#1
djohnson(XLCmember) Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 318	Essentially what Hope has done on this thread is try to present himself and his "locality" as an exception. Even if he was the exception so what? He says he was basically marked out and persecuted for it by the Lee addicts - which more or less proves the point of the thread. 16 people. 8 people. This room. That room. All moot. Unless the woman is outright lying the event happened. And Roger has brought up an excellent point which I suggested in my original thread: the hypocrisy of the leadership. Berating a young lady for kissing a boy while covering up for Mr. Lee's son who was running LSM! And let it also be pointed out per Ingalls book that when he wanted to discuss with Phillips and Graver the behavior of Lee's son they both adamantly refused to listen because why? Because it was a "local matter" restricted to Anaheim. Are these the same guys who think kissing a boy is an extra local matter? I said in the another forum that the leadership of the LCS are full of Baloney. Hey maybe that's a better description than addiction! __________________ My greatest joy is knowing Jesus Christ! Last edited by djohnson(XLCmember); 08-17-2008 at 02:34 PM.

08-17-2008, 09:48 AM	#3
djohnson(XLCmember) Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 318	Have I considered it? That's a good one! No doubt they already knew about it and were ten steps ahead of Ingalls. __________________ My greatest joy is knowing Jesus Christ!