The LCS Factor

[Cal]

Originally Posted by Roger

Also, it isn't strange to find a greater concentration of genuine seekers in aberrant groups, which are claiming to have the "vision" that all the rest of "poor, poor, fallen Christianity" doesn’t have, than in most other moderate groups. They seem to be a magnet for people who have an inward sense that they want to give their all to God. Why God allows so many of his true seekers to end up in these groups is still a mystery to me.

Because it's easier to fall into an elitist (to hell with those other guys) idealistic (we want the best, we are the best) group which enforces conformity (thinking less than optional) than it is to truly love, cherish, receive and minister to all people one encounters. The former simply requires checking out of society while you await the mothership; the latter a real walk with God.

[djohnson(XLCmember)]

Dedicated Christians who deeply love and pursue the Lord do not neglect their children. Does the Lord neglect children?

Does the Lord sue for real estate and quarantine people unjustly?

Some say Lee taught them to love the Lord more etc. Let me suggest if at the same time you learned that you should neglect your children, sue each other, etc for the sake of the church, ministry etc. then he did not teach you to love the Lord. That is not loving the Lord.

[OBW]

Originally Posted by Igzy

Because it's easier to fall into an elitist (to hell with those other guys) idealistic (we want the best, we are the best) group which enforces conformity (thinking less than optional) than it is to truly love, cherish, receive and minister to all people one encounters. The former simply requires checking out of society while you await the mothership; the latter a real walk with God.

Wow!

I wasn't sure how to respond to that. But I think you may be right. That means that all those strong stances for the LC are proof, at some level, of their desire for God.

But it also questions something about whether they truly understand what desiring God is since they lost sight of the great commandment.

Do we have a paradox? Or at leat a conundrum?

[Cal]

Originally Posted by OBW

Wow!

I wasn't sure how to respond to that. But I think you may be right. That means that all those strong stances for the LC are proof, at some level, of their desire for God.

But it also questions something about whether they truly understand what desiring God is since they lost sight of the great commandment.

Do we have a paradox? Or at leat a conundrum?

No, I don't think so. I just think it's easier to leave the world than to be sent into it. It's easier to sit around the campfire and sing Ohio State fight songs than it is to go play Michigan or, even more, get ready to play Michigan. It's easier to be God's best than to take God's best to the world.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Igzy

No, I don't think so. I just think it's easier to leave the world than to be sent into it. It's easier to sit around the campfire and sing Ohio State fight songs than it is to go play Michigan or, even more, get ready to play Michigan. It's easier to be God's best than to take God's best to the world.

Whoa ... wait a minute folks!

Nobody's singing up here!

Things are really getting personal.

I think Brutus Buckeye is ready to trounce those Wolverines.

Let's stop talking. We want Longhorns for lunch!

[Cal]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Whoa ... wait a minute folks!

Nobody's singing up here!

Things are really getting personal.

I think Brutus Buckeye is ready to trounce those Wolverines.

Let's stop talking. We want Longhorns for lunch!

See you in the playoffs. (Ouch! That has to hurt!)

[Ohio]

Cheap shot! Look where he put his hand!

Do all you Texans teach your kids that?

[OBW]

Originally Posted by Igzy

No, I don't think so. I just think it's easier to leave the world than to be sent into it. It's easier to sit around the campfire and sing Ohio State fight songs than it is to go play Michigan or, even more, get ready to play Michigan. It's easier to be God's best than to take God's best to the world.

I do understand. But isn't there a contradiction when you are desiring after the person who would have you do one thing but you do another? Doesn't it suggest that they actually desire something else? A different Christ (as abugian would have said it) or at least something other than Christ (as Matt is saying it)? A Christ that goes to the wilderness for more than 40 days — in fact, more like forever. One that doesn't care about your neighbor. One that doesn't care about the kind of justice that the Jesus of the gospels preached.

Sounds like they seek a God created in their image rather than the other way around. Oh. Uh. Well. Uh. My Goodnaise! (Think WL in a training meeting) Sounds like idolatry.

[Cal]

Originally Posted by OBW

I do understand. But isn't there a contradiction when you are desiring after the person who would have you do one thing but you do another? Doesn't it suggest that they actually desire something else?

Not necessarily. It might just mean they come to misunderstand what he wants. This is much more likely to happen when groupthink is seen as a virtue.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Igzy

Because it's easier to fall into an elitist (to hell with those other guys) idealistic (we want the best, we are the best) group which enforces conformity (thinking less than optional) than it is to truly love, cherish, receive and minister to all people one encounters. The former simply requires checking out of society while you await the mothership; the latter a real walk with God.

In the beginning ... at least for me ... back in the days of old ... we in Cleveland were not elitist ... but ... yes ... we were idealistic ... we did stress Christ ... only Christ ... all in all forever ... and I never thought ... really thought ... I mean "think" ... so much in all my life, in fact I never was sober ... that long ... in all my adult life ... but ... regardless of what others think ... things changed ... dramatically ... for the worse ... as the influences from Anaheim grew ... and the books against us ... think "Mindbenders" ... became popular ... and the pouring out of the Spirit ...as in all of the Jesus movement ... during those days ... declined.