LiveStrong and A-Rod

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Nell

I'm not saying your statement is wrong, but I just don't think it's the best. I think the best lesson is to learn the scriptures. Learn obedience. Learn that God is clean, righteous and holy. To look at others for a standard for living, we will always fall short...because THEY will always fall short.

We should be looking away to Jesus. Of course, this is a pretty lofty standard, but it's HUGE! We get to know Him in the areas of our lives where obedience is doable. If the Lord tells you to do something...do it! If He tells you not to do something...don't do it!

I'm not saying that your statement is wrong, but where did I or those around me NOT learn obedience? It was the Lord who led me to the church in Cleveland as an answer to prayer. I never idolized anyone, but did look to others, older brothers especially, as examples of the faith, as patterns to learn from. Was this not scriptural?

Sorry Nell, but you like to provide a corrective tone, which is not always applicable to others. We should never forget that real failures are part of our walk by faith, as is readily observed in the scriptures. One type of failure is allowing yourself to be deceived for a time by others. I seem to remember that even our Lord Jesus was deceived by Judas. Perhaps our Heavenly Father has provided a special grace to those who taste the same betrayal on earth as His Son did, which otherwise we would have never known.

[Nell]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I'm not saying that your statement is wrong, but where did I or those around me NOT learn obedience? It was the Lord who led me to the church in Cleveland as an answer to prayer. I never idolized anyone, but did look to others, older brothers especially, as examples of the faith, as patterns to learn from. Was this not scriptural?

Sorry Nell, but you like to provide a corrective tone, which is not always applicable to others. We should never forget that real failures are part of our walk by faith, as is readily observed in the scriptures. One type of failure is allowing yourself to be deceived for a time by others. I seem to remember that even our Lord Jesus was deceived by Judas. Perhaps our Heavenly Father has provided a special grace to those who taste the same betrayal on earth as His Son did, which otherwise we would have never known.

OK. Point taken.

How can you allow yourself to be deceived? If you "allow" it, you're not deceived.

Jesus is God. He was not deceived by Judas. He was betrayed. I'm not sure what you're saying.

Nell

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Nell

OK. Point taken.

How can you allow yourself to be deceived? If you "allow" it, you're not deceived.

Jesus is God. He was not deceived by Judas. He was betrayed. I'm not sure what you're saying.

Nell

Jesus was a man. He was betrayed by His closest friend. (Psalms)

Our Father allows many things to likewise happen to His children.

Find me one believer who never once got "had."