Nothing New under the Sun

[rayliotta]

Originally Posted by Freedom

Something I have seen countless times is when a new contact is invited to a meeting. The view everyone in the LC has is that the meeting will be so "captivating" that the person will definitely be back. I have seen new people countless times where they have this look on their face like they want to run for the door, and more often than not, you don't see many come back a second time.

Yes, some people who visit local church meetings are quite uncomfortable with them, to the point of being "creeped out." By the time I left, after growing up there, I was creeped out, too. Hard to describe that feeling.

[Freedom]

Originally Posted by rayliotta

Yes, some people who visit local church meetings are quite uncomfortable with them, to the point of being "creeped out." By the time I left, after growing up there, I was creeped out, too. Hard to describe that feeling.

I know how you feel. I came to a certain point where I realized that nothing was as it seemed with regards to the LC. Instead of wanting to see new people come to the meetings, I hoped that they would have the sense run as far away as possible. I couldn't stand knowing that there was so much nonsense going on behind the scenes that couldn't be addressed. It made me start feeling uncomfortable, as if I was just a pawn who had to sit in a chair, put on a happy face and make the LC look like a nice happy place for people to be.

[countmeworthy]

Originally Posted by Freedom

I know how you feel. I came to a certain point where I realized that nothing was as it seemed with regards to the LC. Instead of wanting to see new people come to the meetings, I hoped that they would have the sense run as far away as possible. I couldn't stand knowing that there was so much nonsense going on behind the scenes that couldn't be addressed. It made me start feeling uncomfortable, as if I was just a pawn who had to sit in a chair, put on a happy face and make the LC look like a nice happy place for people to be.

yeah... I always enjoyed and still do sharing God's Word to people and leading them to Jesus. BUT I did not want them to join the LC. Yet, I was 'happy' in the LC.

[countmeworthy]

Originally Posted by rayliotta

Yes, some people who visit local church meetings are quite uncomfortable with them, to the point of being "creeped out." By the time I left, after growing up there, I was creeped out, too. Hard to describe that feeling.

Everyone who has left knows the feeling rayliotta ! What is even weirder (although I totally understand why it is) is that as much as most are happy to have left, there is a strange pull that wants 'us' to return. For example, I left in 1978. When I decided I wanted to return to my Creator and hang out with my spiritual family instead of all the unbelievers, I went to a few LC meetings wondering if that is where God wanted me to be. Really??? 30 some years later?? And I wondered if God wanted me to return ?

The woman who is married to an LCr met him after he had left and was attending another 'church'. Once they got married, he decides he wants to return to the LC...

go figure!

[Freedom]

Originally Posted by countmeworthy

Everyone who has left knows the feeling rayliotta ! What is even weirder (although I totally understand why it is) is that as much as most are happy to have left, there is a strange pull that wants 'us' to return. For example, I left in 1978. When I decided I wanted to return to my Creator and hang out with my spiritual family instead of all the unbelievers, I went to a few LC meetings wondering if that is where God wanted me to be. Really??? 30 some years later?? And I wondered if God wanted me to return ?

The woman who is married to an LCr met him after he had left and was attending another 'church'. Once they got married, he decides he wants to return to the LC...

go figure!

Well, I haven't left the LC yet, but I constantly find myself thinking that if only such and such were different the LC would be such a better place. I always have to stop myself when I start thinking that way, because it's not really about that. Every church is going to have issues here and there. What I am realizing is that the "system" of the LC is wrong, and that can't be fixed.

For a number of years, leading up until now, I was in and out of LC meetings. I would always attend the Lord's Table meetings, but as for other meetings, I would go when I felt like it, and then I would stop going for awhile. I always felt that I needed to get back with the program and start going to more meetings, because I felt like I was "straying". I look back at this now and the situation is so clear, LC meetings never have met my needs, period. I have seen many saints in the LC here and there that are always in and out of the LC. They meet for 6 months, then you don't see them for a year. It's obvious that the LC doesn't meet their needs either, but something keeps them coming back. I've always found it to be a little peculiar that people don't try other places when they aren't content in the LC, but I think something about the LC conditions people to remain in this type of situation.

[countmeworthy]

Originally Posted by Freedom

Well, I haven't left the LC yet, but I constantly find myself thinking that if only such and such were different the LC would be such a better place. I always have to stop myself when I start thinking that way, because it's not really about that. Every church is going to have issues here and there. What I am realizing is that the "system" of the LC is wrong, and that can't be fixed.

For a number of years, leading up until now, I was in and out of LC meetings. I would always attend the Lord's Table meetings, but as for other meetings, I would go when I felt like it, and then I would stop going for awhile. I always felt that I needed to get back with the program and start going to more meetings, because I felt like I was "straying". I look back at this now and the situation is so clear, LC meetings never have met my needs, period. I have seen many saints in the LC here and there that are always in and out of the LC. They meet for 6 months, then you don't see them for a year. It's obvious that the LC doesn't meet their needs either, but something keeps them coming back. I've always found it to be a little peculiar that people don't try other places when they aren't content in the LC, but I think something about the LC conditions people to remain in this type of situation.

Probable reasons for this is:
1) a soul tie to the LC
2) transfer of spirits from the LC system to the congregation

an example of transfer of spirits:
When people first come into the LC, they come with their own personalities. After a few weeks, months or a year after becoming a Leite, it is no longer they that live. And it is NOT Christ in them that lives either. It is the LC spirit that lives and operates through them. The way people dress (at least back in the 70s'), the LC lingo, the same way people 'prophesy' or 'testify', the way they behave.

What a soul tie is:

"A soul tie is the joining or knitting together of the bonds of a relationship. Godly soul ties occur when like-minded believers are together in the Lord:

On the surface, it appears the Lc is knitted together IN THE LORD. But we soon learn that weave tightly knit together is not so much the LORD but to the LC.

Godly soul ties occur when like-minded believers are together in the Lord: friends, marriage partners, believers to pastors, etc. Relationships that lack `God-centeredness' can result in ungodly soul ties between friends, parents and children, siblings, marriage partners, former romantic or sexual partners, domineering authorities, etc. An unhealthy attachment with another can bring about a psychic control that can adversely affect the life, e.g. a mother who refuses to relinquish her hold on her children (tied to her apron strings), a person who refuses to release to the Lord the memory of an old romantic flame (withdrawing into nostalgia in times of loneliness), a person who holds a grudge or a judgment against another, someone who uses spiritual forces to control others (witchcraft), etc."

The Bible speaks of what is today known as soul ties. In the Bible, it doesn't use the word soul tie, but it speaks of them when it talks about souls being knit together, becoming one flesh, etc. A soul tie can serve many functions, but in it's simplest form, it ties two souls together in the spiritual realm.

There are many websites on soul ties and transfer of spirits.

Learning about them helped me to break all kinds of unhealthy ties.