Stumbling

[UntoHim]

Where is anything from this Nee quote directly related to the Bible? Not one verse is quoted. And there is a reason that not one verse is quoted - because Nee was not speaking from a biblical perspective but rather from some perspective apart from the Bible. What that perspective was is anybody's guess. The man has been dead and gone for about 43 years now and we will never know what he was actually talking about. This quote sounds more like Confusious than anything in the Bible.

[OBW]

Originally Posted by UntoHim

Where is anything from this Nee quote directly related to the Bible? Not one verse is quoted. And there is a reason that not one verse is quoted - because Nee was not speaking from a biblical perspective but rather from some perspective apart from the Bible. What that perspective was is anybody's guess. The man has been dead and gone for about 43 years now and we will never know what he was actually talking about. This quote sounds more like Confusious than anything in the Bible.

And this is the reason that I have been harping on the lack of scripture in both Nee, and especially Lee's messages/books. They "litter" their words with scripture for a portion. We are captured by the amount of references from all over the place. But when it comes to actually providing some real meat to their message, the scripture is suddenly missing. It has gone AWOL. But because we have seen a lot of scripture, it never dawned on us that what is now being said had no connection to any scripture, unless you count that the last 30 minutes has been full of scripture that has nothing to do with the present speaking — speaking that is the reason the whole message/chapter is there for our consideration.

But we didn't consider. We were too snowed by the awesome amount of scripture. Too bad it so often really had nothing to do with the message.

And instead we get their elevation of the Chinese/Oriental culture. I am not saying that there is anything particularly wrong with Chinese culture. Just like American culture it has its strong points and its weak points. But neither is simply God's way. Both are man's way.

[aron]

Originally Posted by OBW

And we didn't consider. We were too snowed by the awesome amount of scripture. Too bad it so often really had nothing to do with the message.

And instead we get their elevation of the Chinese/Oriental culture. I am not saying that there is anything particularly wrong with Chinese culture. Just like American culture it has its strong points and its weak points. But neither is simply God's way. Both are man's way.

I think we're all partly "holistic" and partly "reductionistic/linear". Certainly Descartes' reductionist methodology became hugely influential in Western thinking, and is rightly credited for the great advances in science, technology, and ensuing prosperity. But the "holistic" approach, where the inscrutable wise man utters some aphorism to his "grasshopper", to reference the tv series Kung Fu, is also attractive. The dawn of the environmental crisis, racial tensions, unpopular war, and gender crisis/feminism of the '60s made us aware of the shortcomings of the Descartian model, where we'd put everything into atomistic "parts" boxes while ignoring the whole. And the Nee model with his holistic vision of the "church" and the loosely jointed logical constructions within captivated our attentions. And we didn't look too closely at those loose constructions. There were Bible verses and there were statements, and they didn't always match, or match consistently, but who cares -- "It's the church!!"

But we didn't realize that it wasn't "simply God's way... it was man's way." Now we're beginning to appreciate that with more clarity. I think that in the continued open discussion, objective reality is beginning to emerge. Like the Bible says, "here a little, there a little." (Isa 28:10)

[TLFisher]

Originally Posted by UntoHim

Where is anything from this Nee quote directly related to the Bible? Not one verse is quoted.

Certainly it would help to know what part of scripture is Nee basing his words on. As for my post scripture I quoted in regard to Nee's quote was Leviticus 5:1

"Now if a person sins after he hears a public adjuration to testify when he is a witness, whether he has seen or otherwise known, if he does not tell it, then he will bear his guilt."

When Watchman Nee said "Many people purposely withhold half of a story", does that not apply to what the Blended brothers have been doing the past 25 years?
It is evident in Fermentation of the Present Rebellion. It is evident in Sacrifice and Sail On.
Just as Ananias and Sapphira withheld a portion for themselves (Acts 5), the blended brothers have been withholding also.
Because accounts of the turmoils have been purposely withheld, local elders, deacons, etc have been believing only half for the past 25 years.

How many brothers and sisters were stumbled by the coworkers lack of transparency?

[Freedom]

Originally Posted by Terry

Certainly it would help to know what part of scripture is Nee basing his words on. As for my post scripture I quoted in regard to Nee's quote was Leviticus 5:1

"Now if a person sins after he hears a public adjuration to testify when he is a witness, whether he has seen or otherwise known, if he does not tell it, then he will bear his guilt."

When Watchman Nee said "Many people purposely withhold half of a story", does that not apply to what the Blended brothers have been doing the past 25 years?
It is evident in Fermentation of the Present Rebellion. It is evident in Sacrifice and Sail On.
Just as Ananias and Sapphira withheld a portion for themselves (Acts 5), the blended brothers have been withholding also.
Because accounts of the turmoils have been purposely withheld, local elders, deacons, etc have been believing only half for the past 25 years.

How many brothers and sisters were stumbled by the coworkers lack of transparency?

We probably will never know how many were stumbled. What I think is safe to say is that if all those in the LC were made aware of the truth in regards to some of these things, many would be stumbled at how it was all covered up.