Church Ground Becomes the Lining Up with a Man and a Ministry

[Indiana]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Dear Igzy, have you ever read some of the nonsense that gets posted on the Alternative Views sub forum? Former members use this site as platforms to promote all kinds of new age vagaries. After just a few minutes there, ole' Indiana seems entirely innocuous, like a breath of fresh air, like pure mountain spring water.

This writing took me two months to complete, spending several hours every day on it, and there have been many healthy responses to it. But, it looks like I will be backing away again from the forum, and won't be feeding a negative track now introduced on my thread. I hope others will not continue on that track either out of respect for the subject of this thread, and for me.

My purpose for being on this forum is evident to some but not to others. Freedom has a good grasp, for example, and as a current Local Church member, has not been chased away because of any of my writings or by my objective on the forum. My intention indeed is not to encourage people to leave, but to inform them of the truth, so if they choose to continue to dwell with those in the Local Church, they will do so according to knowledge, for the building up of the Body in love.

If others, like Terry, do not continue directly with the Local Church, then still such ones can care for the Body of Christ, which Terry does, in attitude and by action with any believer, and this includes, at times, Local Church members. An example is his receiving of an invitation to his brothers' house reunion and driving a few hours roundtrip with two full-time training graduates, who have families now, and were caring for the Body themselves in accommodating Terry, and the brother they visited in Oregon.

[Cal]

Originally Posted by Indiana

This writing took me two months to complete, spending several hours every day on it, and there have been many healthy responses to it. But, it looks like I will be backing away again from the forum, and won't be feeding a negative track now introduced on my thread. I hope others will not continue on that track either out of respect for the subject of this thread, and for me.

My purpose for being on this forum is evident to some but not to others. Freedom has a good grasp, for example, and as a current Local Church member, has not been chased away because of any of my writings or by my objective on the forum. My intention indeed is not to encourage people to leave, but to inform them of the truth, so if they choose to continue to dwell with those in the Local Church, they will do so according to knowledge, for the building up of the Body in love.

If others, like Terry, do not continue directly with the Local Church, then still such ones can care for the Body of Christ, which Terry does, in attitude and by action with any believer, and this includes, at times, Local Church members. An example is his receiving of an invitation to his brothers' house reunion and driving a few hours roundtrip with two full-time training graduates, who have families now, and were caring for the Body themselves in accommodating Terry, and the brother they visited in Oregon.

Indiana,

All this could have been avoided a long time ago if you had simply answered the questions I asked plainly and clearly. You still haven't really done that, but I guess I can figure from the above that you don't really believe that people have to be in the LCM.

What makes me scratch my head is why in the world months ago you didn't just say, "No, Igzy. I don't believe that." Further, I don't understand, given your desire to teach and preach, why you haven't posted a clear statement of your beliefs. How is anyone supposed to understand you if they don't understand what you believe? And how are they supposed to understand what you believe if you won't answer questions about your beliefs? Being vague about one's beliefs is not a winning formula for someone who proposes to preach truth.

This board, you need to realize, is a fellowship. It's a church in a way, a gathering of believers. The rules of the kingdom apply. More than one of us (OBW and I, that's a testimony of two) have cited that your don't make yourself and your intentions clear. I would say that should inspire a desire in you to do so, not a feeling that we are "negative." I think it's a little strange to be vague and then call people "negative" for getting frustrated at your vagueness. Running away and hiding is not the answer; trying to answer questions is.

I appreciate your hard work, but whether you took two months to write something or two minutes, it should be clear--and if it isn't and people ask you to make yourself clear then you are obligated to make an effort to do so. You don't have the right to post vague things and then avoid questions about them. No one here has that right. You DO have the right to shy away from needless argumentation, but not to the point of remaining vague.

The tendency to be vague and then calling people who ask for clarity "negative" is definitely a learned trait of the LCM. I would expect such behavior from Ray Graver, but not from you. It's a Chinese trait that Nee sold as spirituality, and which LCMers picked up as a convenient way to avoid having to answer questions. You seem to still think it's good practice. It isn't.

So I would ask, implore, beg you, if someone asks you a question, do your best to answer them. You don't have to engage in lengthy arguments, but try to reach an understanding with people. Don't continue to think that you have the right to post things and not answer reasonable questions about those things. Ignoring questioners, except those who are simply unreasonable, is not an option in any church or fellowship of love, including this one. And it's certainly not going to help your cause.

I'll await your plain and clear answer and then I'll leave you alone to post your stuff. Questions may come in the future, but you can end this batch with a response that demonstrates your understanding of what I just said.

Thanks,

Igzy