Double Standards

[Freedom]

Originally Posted by Intothewind

I recall recently a push for fruit bearing and shepherding. Icant remember details on how this was to occur...but the idea of being someones fruit is a tad strange

I've been in meetings where someone will introduce a newcomer as their "fruit", a bit odd thing to do IMO. If nothing else, did they ever think for a second that it would make the new person feel uncomfortable? Really the heart of the issue is that there is so much pressure for members to recruit new members, that whenever they actually bring someone to the LC (a somewhat rare occurrence), the goal becomes finding a way to get everyone to notice what they've done.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Freedom

I've been in meetings where someone will introduce a newcomer as their "fruit", a bit odd thing to do IMO. If nothing else, did they ever think for a second that it would make the new person feel uncomfortable? Really the heart of the issue is that there is so much pressure for members to recruit new members, that whenever they actually bring someone to the LC (a somewhat rare occurrence), the goal becomes finding a way to get everyone to notice what they've done.

The post-quanrantine lawsuits in the GLA came down to this simple question: whose fruit are you???

In other words, each and every brother and sister, from Iowa east to Pennsylvania, from Ontario south to Kentucky, had to choose whether he or she belonged to Titus Chu or Witness Lee and his Blendeds.

Personally I decided not to belong to either, and used the opportunity to leave.

[Freedom]

Originally Posted by Ohio

The post-quanrantine lawsuits in the GLA came down to this simple question: whose fruit are you???

In other words, each and every brother and sister, from Iowa east to Pennsylvania, from Ontario south to Kentucky, had to choose whether he or she belonged to Titus Chu or Witness Lee and his Blendeds.

Personally I decided not to belong to either, and used the opportunity to leave.

Unfortunately that's what the system of the LC produces. Everyone must "belong" to someone. Even beside the issue of whose "fruit" belongs to who , why must everyone must express a debt of gratitude to Lee and his ministry? I've heard that sometimes the FTTA trainees will make a pilgrimage to his grave site . Whatever happened to belonging to Jesus?

[TLFisher]

Originally Posted by Ohio

The post-quanrantine lawsuits in the GLA came down to this simple question: whose fruit are you???

In other words, each and every brother and sister, from Iowa east to Pennsylvania, from Ontario south to Kentucky, had to choose whether he or she belonged to Titus Chu or Witness Lee and his Blendeds.

Personally I decided not to belong to either, and used the opportunity to leave.

I don't think those from local churches on the west coast and other places realize if you're not for LSM and it's publications, by default you're against them. It doesn't matter if you consider Titus Chu a non-issue like the church in Detroit did. As I'm concerned in my time in California and Washington state, when did Titus minister in those localities? He hasn't. No issue.

[TLFisher]

As a follow-up to Ohio's post another double standard is the DCP/Blended spin of "inoculating the Body". How is it different when addressing current LSM leaders as going to the Tree of Knowledge?
No difference. For them it's okay to say "inoculating the body" by feeding saints from the Tree of Knowledge. It's manipulating brothers and sisters in local churches to be negative towards another brother.

[Intothewind]

Originally Posted by Freedom

I've been in meetings where someone will introduce a newcomer as their "fruit", a bit odd thing to do IMO. If nothing else, did they ever think for a second that it would make the new person feel uncomfortable? Really the heart of the issue is that there is so much pressure for members to recruit new members, that whenever they actually bring someone to the LC (a somewhat rare occurrence), the goal becomes finding a way to get everyone to notice what they've done.

Bahaha the college students joked about this so for it to actually have happened is just all the more fascinating. I don't know if I have the heart to dig up all the delightful foot'in mouths old LC pastors of the young flock said to young people with no understanding of current cultural events.

Their is a general willingness to ignore things in newcomers that would not be tolerated among the young people. A guy joins the club, and he brings his girlfriend-great! Two young people are interested in each other-not at all ok to acknowledge. Oh yes, also young person dating someone outside the church life-not ok. Ok...maybe a bit of forgiveness if she ends up coming into the church life.

They also claim not to worship any person. But to an outsider I wonder what this would look like. How long on average do they talk before mentioning Lee or Nee? How long before they mention Jesus or anyone else? I hazard to say the ratio may be revealing.

[Freedom]

Originally Posted by Intothewind

Bahaha the college students joked about this so for it to actually have happened is just all the more fascinating. I don't know if I have the heart to dig up all the delightful foot'in mouths old LC pastors of the young flock said to young people with no understanding of current cultural events.

I've heard some of the Chinese saints use the term "gospel candidate", I'm not exactly sure what it means, but I presume it to mean someone they think who is worth spending time on. Obviously the term itself its a bit peculiar, and it would probably generate funny looks with most people. I can't remember if I have heard it used to refer to a newcomer, but these kinds of terms are thrown around loosely within the LC.

Originally Posted by Intothewind

Their is a general willingness to ignore things in newcomers that would not be tolerated among the young people. A guy joins the club, and he brings his girlfriend-great! Two young people are interested in each other-not at all ok to acknowledge. Oh yes, also young person dating someone outside the church life-not ok. Ok...maybe a bit of forgiveness if she ends up coming into the church life.

They have to make the LC seem "appealing" to newcomers when they know darn well that most of the rules that everyone else is expected to follow would scare most people away.