The Ground Of The Church

[Cal]

Originally Posted by Oregon

Show me in the Word where there are various denominations etc. Use the Word of God to tear down the oneness of believers in a locality....not your logic as to why nobody can decern who the real elders are. If you can show me in the Word that it's OK to divide the church up into all these various different types of assemblies then your arguements will carry some weight. Human failure will never be a valid reason to disregard what is in the Word.

Oregon, you can believe in the local ground if you want. That's your business. Just don't come running to me when you have a leadership crisis and you end up with two elderships each claiming to be over the city.

And God help those poor saints who don't have the answers to the questions I've asked when that time comes because you're not going to know what to tell them, and they are going to suffer for it.

And guess what? Ironically, in the end it's going to be okay for there to be two groups in that city because that's going to be the only way those saints can go on. Unless you expect them to just wring their hands and not meet with anyone until an angel or something comes down and tells each of them who to follow.

[Oregon]

Originally Posted by Igzy

Oregon, you can believe in the local ground if you want. That's your business. Just don't come running to me when you have a leadership crisis and you end up with two elderships each claiming to be over the city.

And God help those poor saints who don't have the answers to the questions I've asked when that time comes because you're not going to know what to tell them, and they are going to suffer for it.

And guess what? Ironically, in the end it's going to be okay for there to be two groups in that city because that's going to be the only way those saints can go on. Unless you expect them to just wring their hands and not meet with anyone until an angel or something comes down and tells each of them who to follow.

I don't plan on running to you Igzy and it's that kind of language that casuses people to react to your statements. Maybe you need to take a hard look at how you express yourself on this forum.

[Cal]

Originally Posted by Oregon

I don't plan on running to you Igzy and it's that kind of language that casuses people to react to your statements. Maybe you need to take a hard look at how you express yourself on this forum.

Dear Oregon,

If you look over all my posts on this board I think you can say I have been largely civil. But even after being that way no one has had the civility to honestly answer my questions.

I'd ask you to understand a certain amount of frustration on my part with people who claim to know the truth but can't answer the first questions about the practical ramifications of it, yet still act like it's the truth, yet with complete disregard for how this "truth" has plowed under the Christian lives of so many. Frankly, that makes me mad.

My goal has alway been to spare those locked into a mindset of one church per city who are in a dilemma when that church splits, as it has many times recently. In my mind, the classic LC church model can do nothing for these people. No one has stepped in correct me on this. To me this seems very callous to those victims. The LC has always looked at its members as potential cannon fodder for the outworking of their vision, in marked contrast to the Shepherd who would leave the whole flock to save one.

It's nothing personal, so I'm sorry if it hurts your feelings when I point this out. But it's a fact. The real harshness is in the implications of the LC belief and practice. My tone on this board pales by comparison.