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Originally Posted by testallthings

To awareness
“So we're back to Nee being Biblically wrong. To bad he's not here to admit to it.”
First, you have to prove that he was wrong on this point, then I am sure if he was here he would gladly admit to it.

Did Jesus tell the tax collectors that he hung with to get out of gov'ment?

[testallthings]

Originally Posted by awareness

Did Jesus tell the tax collectors that he hung with to get out of gov'ment?

No, He didn't.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Did Jesus tell the tax collectors that he hung with to get out of gov'ment?

I wish He would hang out with some of those IRS agents.

[awareness]

So have we shown that Nee was wrong concerning the gov'ment ... according to even Jesus?

[zeek]

If the kingdom of God is within us as Jesus said didn't Christianity betray this crucial insight early on, whether by transferring the kingdom into the next world world and thereby devaluing this life, or by becoming political and seeking salvation through organizations, sacraments, and the clergy?

[OBW]

Originally Posted by zeek

If the kingdom of God is within us as Jesus said didn't Christianity betray this crucial insight early on, whether by transferring the kingdom into the next world world and thereby devaluing this life, or by becoming political and seeking salvation through organizations, sacraments, and the clergy?

YES

The kingdom is first and foremost right here among us because it is in us. And what is seen of that kingdom is what we display. If we display political ambition and a desire to criminalize/marginalize everyone that does not follow our God, then that is what is seen of that Kingdom in this life.

If we cannot find the way to display the Kingdom that Jesus taught, then we are going to be very surprised by what comes our way in the next age since we really didn't understand it in the first place.

[testallthings]

THE SILENCE OF SCRIPTURE

Originally Posted by awareness:

Did Jesus tell the tax collectors that he hung with to get out of gov'ment?

Originally Posted by testallthings

No, He didn't.

Originally Posted by awareness

So have we shown that Nee was wrong concerning the gov'ment ... according to even Jesus?

Proving something from what Jesus didn't say can lead to very dangerous conclusions. If we apply the same kind of reasoning awareness used to prove Nee wrong (and with Nee many, many servants of God, from the church fathers to Spurgeon, etc.) then we can show:

1. That Jesus was for soldiers, the army, for the sword, for war, for killing people, etc., because he didn't tell the centurion to leave the army (Mat. 8:5-13).

2. That Jesus was for thieves, for stealing, because He didn't tell Judah not to steal money from the bag he carried (John 12:6).

3. That Jesus didn't care about sinning, because when He healed the sick of palsy and forgave his sins He didn't tell him to sin no more (Mat. 9:2-7).

4. That Jesus was for worldly government (even for Caesar's kingdom, because the tax collectors worked for Rome) and for sinners! (because in the same passage where He didn't say to the tax collectors to leave their job, He didn't say, either, to the sinners to sin no more) (Mat. 9:9-13)

Other things could be added to the list, but I think everyone can see the absurdity of these conclusions.

JESUS THE FRIENDS OF SINNERS

It is very interesting how Jesus came in contact with tax collectors (or publicans).

Mat 9:9 And as Jesus passed forth from thence, he saw a man, named Matthew, sitting at the receipt of custom: and he saith unto him, Follow me. And he arose, and followed him. Mat 9:10 And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples. Mat 9:11 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners? Mat 9:12 But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. Mat 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. (KJV)

Luk 5:27 And after these things he went forth, and saw a publican, named Levi, sitting at the receipt of custom: and he said unto him, Follow me. Luk 5:28 And he left all, rose up, and followed him.Luk 5:29 And Levi made him a great feast in his own house: and there was a great company of publicans and of others that sat down with them. Luk 5:30 But their scribes and Pharisees murmured against his disciples, saying, Why do ye eat and drink with publicans and sinners? Luk 5:31 And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick. Luk 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Mar 2:14 And as he passed by, he saw Levi the son of Alphaeus sitting at the receipt of custom, and said unto him, Follow me. And he arose and followed him. Mar 2:15 And it came to pass, that, as Jesus sat at meat in his house, many publicans and sinners sat also together with Jesus and his disciples: for there were many, and they followed him. Mar 2:16 And when the scribes and Pharisees saw him eat with publicans and sinners, they said unto his disciples, How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners?
Mar 2:17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

It is the call of Matthew (or Levi). Jesus called Matthew to follow Him, and so he left his job. He didn't serve the Lord part time. Jesus was a friends of tax collectors and sinners, but He made sure that among His disciples there were no tax collectors.

THE CHURCH'S (BELIEVERS) ATTITUDE TOWARDS THE WORLD (SINNERS)

1Co 5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
1Co 5:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 1Co 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 1Co 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 1Co 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

Am I wrong if I understand that Paul was saying that we can have sinners friends in this world, but not sinners brothers in the church? If that is correct isn't this what the Lord Jesus did in the Gospels? He was the friend of sinners (tax collectors included) but in the church (His disciples) the story is different.

Mat 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

[awareness]

TAT, you are so serious. But a lot of fun. Except your posts are like doing homework. But you're so intriguing they're worth the read.

So now, we come back full circle to the conclusion that Nee was right : get out of gov'ment. Did you get that zeek?

And then we learn that Paul advocated staying away from sinning brothers (and sisters, surely, we're left to presume).

Which means we can't keep company with brother zeek, who worked for the gov'ment more than 3 decades. But it's to late for me. I already love the brother before finding all this out. And how do you unlove someone?

But ... if we take all of Paul's admonitions then, we'd have to stay away from pretty much everyone (since elsewhere he says, "all have sinned and come short ...") That would mean we should all become anchorites.

Are you an anchorite bro TAT? Except for the internet, I pretty much am.

And I never worked for the gov'ment to boot. But I've sinned in other ways. So ... best to stay away from me.

What say ye, all of you?

[zeek]

Originally Posted by testallthings

THE SILENCE OF SCRIPTURE

Originally Posted by awareness:

Did Jesus tell the tax collectors that he hung with to get out of gov'ment?

Proving something from what Jesus didn't say can lead to very dangerous conclusions. If we apply the same kind of reasoning awareness used to prove Nee wrong (and with Nee many, many servants of God, from the church fathers to Spurgeon, etc.) then we can show:

1. That Jesus was for soldiers, the army, for the sword, for war, for killing people, etc., because he didn't tell the centurion to leave the army (Mat. 8:5-13).

2. That Jesus was for thieves, for stealing, because He didn't tell Judah not to steal money from the bag he carried (John 12:6).

3. That Jesus didn't care about sinning, because when He healed the sick of palsy and forgave his sins He didn't tell him to sin no more (Mat. 9:2-7).

4. That Jesus was for worldly government (even for Caesar's kingdom, because the tax collectors worked for Rome) and for sinners! (because in the same passage where He didn't say to the tax collectors to leave their job, He didn't say, either, to the sinners to sin no more) (Mat. 9:9-13)

Other things could be added to the list, but I think everyone can see the absurdity of these conclusions.

Indeed.

JESUS THE FRIENDS OF SINNERS

It is very interesting how Jesus came in contact with tax collectors (or publicans).

Mat 9:9 And as Jesus passed forth from thence, he saw a man, named Matthew, sitting at the receipt of custom: and he saith unto him, Follow me. And he arose, and followed him. Mat 9:10 And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples. Mat 9:11 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners? Mat 9:12 But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. Mat 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. (KJV)

Luk 5:27 And after these things he went forth, and saw a publican, named Levi, sitting at the receipt of custom: and he said unto him, Follow me. Luk 5:28 And he left all, rose up, and followed him.Luk 5:29 And Levi made him a great feast in his own house: and there was a great company of publicans and of others that sat down with them. Luk 5:30 But their scribes and Pharisees murmured against his disciples, saying, Why do ye eat and drink with publicans and sinners? Luk 5:31 And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick. Luk 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Mar 2:14 And as he passed by, he saw Levi the son of Alphaeus sitting at the receipt of custom, and said unto him, Follow me. And he arose and followed him. Mar 2:15 And it came to pass, that, as Jesus sat at meat in his house, many publicans and sinners sat also together with Jesus and his disciples: for there were many, and they followed him. Mar 2:16 And when the scribes and Pharisees saw him eat with publicans and sinners, they said unto his disciples, How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners?
Mar 2:17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

It is the call of Matthew (or Levi). Jesus called Matthew to follow Him, and so he left his job. He didn't serve the Lord part time. Jesus was a friends of tax collectors and sinners, but He made sure that among His disciples there were no tax collectors.

THE CHURCH'S (BELIEVERS) ATTITUDE TOWARDS THE WORLD (SINNERS)

1Co 5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
1Co 5:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 1Co 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 1Co 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 1Co 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

Am I wrong if I understand that Paul was saying that we can have sinners friends in this world, but not sinners brothers in the church? If that is correct isn't this what the Lord Jesus did in the Gospels? He was the friend of sinners (tax collectors included) but in the church (His disciples) the story is different.

Paul's teaching is different then Jesus' teaching. Paul's seems the more practical of the two. But, time showed that it wasn't. That a church without sinners is empty has been proven over and over throughout it's history. Paul's teaching always leads to the sinners of the church in-crowd "putting away" the sinners of the out-crowd. If you associate with humans, you associate with sinners.

In point of fact, Jesus was overturning the purity customs and laws of his society. He ate with the cast-offs, the dregs, the untouchables. Everybody was welcome at the "Lord's table" and that was a radical rejection of the dominant culture which consisted of the Romans and the Jews who collaborated with them. We could call that "anti-political" but to be anti-political in that sense has profound political implications which is probably why they crucified Jesus.

Mat 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

It's unlikely that historical Jesus taught that. It's based on Deut. 19:15:

“A single witness shall not suffice against a person for any crime or for any wrong in connection with any offense that he has committed. Only on the evidence of two witnesses or of three witnesses shall a charge be established.

It probably reflects a useful standard of evidence that "Matthew's" church used in the process of settling disputes.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by zeek

If the kingdom of God is within us as Jesus said didn't Christianity betray this crucial insight early on, whether by transferring the kingdom into the next world world and thereby devaluing this life, or by becoming political and seeking salvation through organizations, sacraments, and the clergy?

The Gospel of Thomas V. (3)

"Yeshua said,
If your leaders tell you, “Look, the kingdom is in heaven,”
then the birds of heaven will precede you.
If they say to you, “It’s in the sea,”
then the fish will precede you.
But the kingdom is inside you and it is outside you.
When you know yourselves, then you will be known,
and you will understand that you are children of the living father.
But if you do not know yourselves,
then you dwell in poverty and you are poverty."

V (113)

"His students said to him,
When will the kingdom come?

Yeshua said,
It will not come because you are watching for it.
No one will announce, “Look, here it is,”
or “Look, there it is.”
The father’s kingdom is spread out upon the earth
and people do not see it."

[testallthings]

THE CHURCH AND THE SINNING BROTHERS

Let's consider few passages:

1Co 5:11 but now I write unto you not to keep company, if any man that is named a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such a one no, not to eat.

1Co 6:9 Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men,
1Co 6:10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye were washed, but ye were sanctified, but ye were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the Spirit of our God.

Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousies, wraths, factions, divisions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 envyings, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I forewarn you, even as I did forewarn you, that they which practise such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Eph 5:1 Be ye therefore imitators of God, as beloved children;
Eph 5:2 and walk in love, even as Christ also loved you, and gave himself up for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for an odour of a sweet smell.
Eph 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as becometh saints;
Eph 5:4 nor filthiness, nor foolish talking, or jesting, which are not befitting: but rather giving of thanks.
Eph 5:5 For this ye know of a surety, that no fornicator, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, which is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.
Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with empty words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the sons of disobedience.
Eph 5:7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them;

Rev 22:15 Without are the dogs, and the sorcerers, and the fornicators, and the murderers, and the idolaters, and every one that loveth and maketh a lie.


Some are concerned that if we apply these verses the church would be empty. True. Even people like

Noah, who “drank of the wine, and was drunken” (Gen. 9:21),
David who committed adultery and murdered an innocent man (2Sa 12:9 Wherefore hast thou despised the word of the LORD, to do that which is evil in his sight? thou hast smitten Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon.)
Peter, who denied the Lord three times (Mat_26:75 And Peter remembered the word which Jesus had said, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. And he went out, and wept bitterly.), and
John, who for two times bowed down to worship (did he really worship him?) an angel (Rev 19:10 And I fell down before his feet to worship him. And he saith unto me, See thou do it not: I am a fellow-servant with thee and with thy brethren that hold the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. Rev 22:8 And I John am he that heard and saw these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
Rev 22:9 And he saith unto me, See thou do it not: I am a fellow- servant with thee and with thy brethren the prophets, and with them which keep the words of this book: worship God.), would have to be removed from its midst (and would have no part in the kingdom of God).

Now it is clear from the Word that David, Peter an John (can we include Noah?) would be in the kingdom of God, and even have a prominent position. So what did Paul mean in his epistles when he listed those sinners? He was referring to people (brothers) who didn't not just slip few times in an horrible sin, but that habitually were living and practicing them ( that they which practise such things, Ga:5:21).

Noah was drunken, he was not a drunkard.
David committed adultery and killed an innocent man, he did not practice those sins as his habit (he repented, see Ps. 51)
Peter denied the Lord once (three times), it was not his practice to deny the Lord (see how he testified to the high priest, Acts 4), and he repented.
John fell two times in trying to worship an angel, it was not his practice to worship other beings).


1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye may not sin. And if any man sin, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 1Jn 2:2 and he is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the whole world.

WHAT, THEN, IS THE PURPOSE OF THE CHURCH'S DISCIPLINE.

The church should be holy as God is holy. It cannot tolerate a brother who lives continually in sin. The church should admonish the sinning person few times first, but if he/she doesn't listen to the church, the church cannot have fellowship with the sinning one.

This seems so tragic, but there is still hope. Hope that the brother would repent and be reinstated in the fellowship. That seems the case with the sinning brother in 1 Co. 5. Let's see what happened.

2Co 2:1 But I determined this for myself, that I would not come again to you with sorrow.
2Co 2:2 For if I make you sorry, who then is he that maketh me glad, but he that is made sorry by me?
2Co 2:3 And I wrote this very thing, lest, when I came, I should have sorrow from them of whom I ought to rejoice; having confidence in you all, that my joy is the joy of you all.
2Co 2:4 For out of much affliction and anguish of heart I wrote unto you with many tears; not that ye should be made sorry, but that ye might know the love which I have more abundantly unto you.
2Co 2:5 But if any hath caused sorrow, he hath caused sorrow, not to me, but in part (that I press not too heavily) to you all.
2Co 2:6 Sufficient to such a one is this punishment which was inflicted by the many;
2Co 2:7 so that contrariwise ye should rather forgive him and comfort him, lest by any means such a one should be swallowed up with his overmuch sorrow.
2Co 2:8 Wherefore I beseech you to confirm your love toward him.
2Co 2:9 For to this end also did I write, that I might know the proof of you, whether ye are obedient in all things.
2Co 2:10 But to whom ye forgive anything, I forgive also: for what I also have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, for your sakes have I forgiven it in the person of Christ;
2Co 2:11 that no advantage may be gained over us by Satan: for we are not ignorant of his devices.

From this passage, the sinning brother in 1 Co. 5, after been “punished” he repented with much sorrow. So Paul wrote to the Church in Corinth to “confirm your love toward him”, to forgive in the person of Christ .

The church's discipline should aim at regaining the sinning brother.
Praise the Lord for the forgiveness, and for the love of the saints!

[OBW]

Good post. But is it about Politics and the Church?

[zeek]

Originally Posted by testallthings

THE CHURCH AND THE SINNING BROTHERS

Let's consider few passages:

1Co 5:11 but now I write unto you not to keep company, if any man that is named a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such a one no, not to eat.

1Co 6:9 Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men,
1Co 6:10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye were washed, but ye were sanctified, but ye were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the Spirit of our God.

Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousies, wraths, factions, divisions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 envyings, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I forewarn you, even as I did forewarn you, that they which practise such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Eph 5:1 Be ye therefore imitators of God, as beloved children;
Eph 5:2 and walk in love, even as Christ also loved you, and gave himself up for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for an odour of a sweet smell.
Eph 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as becometh saints;
Eph 5:4 nor filthiness, nor foolish talking, or jesting, which are not befitting: but rather giving of thanks.
Eph 5:5 For this ye know of a surety, that no fornicator, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, which is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.
Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with empty words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the sons of disobedience.
Eph 5:7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them;

Rev 22:15 Without are the dogs, and the sorcerers, and the fornicators, and the murderers, and the idolaters, and every one that loveth and maketh a lie.


Some are concerned that if we apply these verses the church would be empty. True. Even people like

Noah, who “drank of the wine, and was drunken” (Gen. 9:21),
David who committed adultery and murdered an innocent man (2Sa 12:9 Wherefore hast thou despised the word of the LORD, to do that which is evil in his sight? thou hast smitten Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon.)
Peter, who denied the Lord three times (Mat_26:75 And Peter remembered the word which Jesus had said, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. And he went out, and wept bitterly.), and
John, who for two times bowed down to worship (did he really worship him?) an angel (Rev 19:10 And I fell down before his feet to worship him. And he saith unto me, See thou do it not: I am a fellow-servant with thee and with thy brethren that hold the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. Rev 22:8 And I John am he that heard and saw these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
Rev 22:9 And he saith unto me, See thou do it not: I am a fellow- servant with thee and with thy brethren the prophets, and with them which keep the words of this book: worship God.), would have to be removed from its midst (and would have no part in the kingdom of God).

Now it is clear from the Word that David, Peter an John (can we include Noah?) would be in the kingdom of God, and even have a prominent position. So what did Paul mean in his epistles when he listed those sinners? He was referring to people (brothers) who didn't not just slip few times in an horrible sin, but that habitually were living and practicing them ( that they which practise such things, Ga:5:21).

Noah was drunken, he was not a drunkard.
David committed adultery and killed an innocent man, he did not practice those sins as his habit (he repented, see Ps. 51)
Peter denied the Lord once (three times), it was not his practice to deny the Lord (see how he testified to the high priest, Acts 4), and he repented.
John fell two times in trying to worship an angel, it was not his practice to worship other beings).


1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye may not sin. And if any man sin, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 1Jn 2:2 and he is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the whole world.

WHAT, THEN, IS THE PURPOSE OF THE CHURCH'S DISCIPLINE.

The church should be holy as God is holy. It cannot tolerate a brother who lives continually in sin. The church should admonish the sinning person few times first, but if he/she doesn't listen to the church, the church cannot have fellowship with the sinning one.

This seems so tragic, but there is still hope. Hope that the brother would repent and be reinstated in the fellowship. That seems the case with the sinning brother in 1 Co. 5. Let's see what happened.

2Co 2:1 But I determined this for myself, that I would not come again to you with sorrow.
2Co 2:2 For if I make you sorry, who then is he that maketh me glad, but he that is made sorry by me?
2Co 2:3 And I wrote this very thing, lest, when I came, I should have sorrow from them of whom I ought to rejoice; having confidence in you all, that my joy is the joy of you all.
2Co 2:4 For out of much affliction and anguish of heart I wrote unto you with many tears; not that ye should be made sorry, but that ye might know the love which I have more abundantly unto you.
2Co 2:5 But if any hath caused sorrow, he hath caused sorrow, not to me, but in part (that I press not too heavily) to you all.
2Co 2:6 Sufficient to such a one is this punishment which was inflicted by the many;
2Co 2:7 so that contrariwise ye should rather forgive him and comfort him, lest by any means such a one should be swallowed up with his overmuch sorrow.
2Co 2:8 Wherefore I beseech you to confirm your love toward him.
2Co 2:9 For to this end also did I write, that I might know the proof of you, whether ye are obedient in all things.
2Co 2:10 But to whom ye forgive anything, I forgive also: for what I also have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, for your sakes have I forgiven it in the person of Christ;
2Co 2:11 that no advantage may be gained over us by Satan: for we are not ignorant of his devices.

From this passage, the sinning brother in 1 Co. 5, after been “punished” he repented with much sorrow. So Paul wrote to the Church in Corinth to “confirm your love toward him”, to forgive in the person of Christ .

The church's discipline should aim at regaining the sinning brother.
Praise the Lord for the forgiveness, and for the love of the saints!

Look at your post. You NEVER cite Jesus. Do you prefer Paul and John to Jesus? Can you unite the three? Jesus speaks in terms of universal ethics whereas Paul and John speak to the church as if to a special class.