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Old 02-20-2016, 06:49 AM   #1
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W.L. defended the Protestant theology? This would make W.L. turn in his grave!
W.L. couldn't see something the Protestant theology itself couldn't see? This would make W.L. jump out of his grave!
(we all know how he despised Protestantism, and how he boasted that he saw more than those who went before him)
In the "recovery" narrative, Martin Luther loomed large as a champion. W.L. built on that "recovery of justification by faith" in his progressive revelation idea.
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Old 02-20-2016, 08:09 AM   #2
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W.L. defended the Protestant theology?
W.L. couldn't see something the Protestant theology itself couldn't see?
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In the "recovery" narrative, Martin Luther loomed large as a champion. W.L. built on that "recovery of justification by faith" in his progressive revelation idea.
According to Lee's Protestant remnant theology, Martin Luther was the Grand-Daddy of all MOTA's. He was the Zerubbabel of the OT, returning to Jerusalem and rebuilding the foundation of the temple of God on the "proper ground." Protestantism was his foundation, but Lee's role was to correct and consummate any flaws which previous MOTA's might still have had.
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According to Lee's Protestant remnant theology, Martin Luther was the Grand-Daddy of all MOTA's. He was the Zerubbabel of the OT, returning to Jerusalem and rebuilding the foundation of the temple of God on the "proper ground." Protestantism was his foundation, but Lee's role was to correct and consummate any flaws which previous MOTA's might still have had.
I see the problem with MOTA and remnant theology being that there is only one MOTA at a time. While Martin Luther took a big step in recovering the church to the pure word of God, he was hardly alone, but rather part of the Spirit's response through a group of reformers bold enough to risk their lives by standing with truth versus the church's teaching of the day. This has been the case ever since.

The Ministry of the Age is the ministry of God's word and Spirit, rather than law (or licentiousness and self exaltation). No single man has ever "cornered that market". And, anyone who thinks he or a very small group of men has needs to learn more of Bible and church history. The Lord has a way of preserving a remnant of thousands of faithful saints in a manner that is hidden to God's prophets, until He chooses to reveal them (to His glory!).

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I see the problem with MOTA and remnant theology being that there is only one MOTA at a time. While Martin Luther took a big step in recovering the church to the pure word of God, he was hardly alone, but rather part of the Spirit's response through a group of reformers bold enough to risk their lives by standing with truth versus the church's teaching of the day. This has been the case ever since.

The Ministry of the Age is the ministry of God's word and Spirit, rather than law (or licentiousness and self exaltation). No single man has ever "cornered that market". And, anyone who thinks he or a very small group of men has needs to learn more of Bible and church history. The Lord has a way of preserving a remnant of thousands of faithful saints in a manner that is hidden to God's prophets, until He chooses to reveal them (to His glory!).
A sister from the GLA showed me the book "The Pilgram Church" by Broadbent that shows that God has always had a faithful church, and it's not the one that declares its own beauty and faithfulness to the Lord.
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A sister from the GLA showed me the book "The Pilgram Church" by Broadbent that shows that God has always had a faithful church, and it's not the one that declares its own beauty and faithfulness to the Lord.
Great book! I gobbled it up as soon as I got it. It was church history books like this one that helped me see through Lee's self-serving views of history.
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Great book! I gobbled it up as soon as I got it. It was church history books like this one that helped me see through Lee's self-serving views of history.
That dear couple left the GLA churches and joined with the LSM denomination in Fairborne. In my opinion I think the GLA churches were more healthy than the LSM-denomination churches.
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That dear couple left the GLA churches and joined with the LSM denomination in Fairborne. In my opinion I think the GLA churches were more healthy than the LSM-denomination churches.
I knew the brother RR that started the LC in Fairborn. We were in Columbus together since 1977, as was Phil Comfort and many others. After Comfort was badly abused and publicly shamed by TC in 1981-82 while staying in Cleveland, he returned to Columbus and stepped down from the eldership and no longer ministered in the meetings. The rest of us attempted to proceed doing the best we could, though relations with TC were strained. Brother RR and the other Columbus leaders heard what happened to PC in detail, and all of them were quite disgusted with TC's behavior.

Then in 1985 TC launched into another public shaming campaign, this time with RR. TC, in an orchestrated group ministry rotation among the LC's, arranged for RR to speak in Cleveland after the Lord's Table meeting. TC slips into the back row just in time for RR to share, and promptly ridiculed him openly, with the goal to destroy RR's reputation in the region. RR remained in the Columbus area for awhile, and then eventually ended up in Fairborn (a Dayton, OH suburb) with a few others, to start a new LC. While WL was alive, TC frantically tried to prevent Fairborn from becoming a legitimate LC, recognized by LSM, and permitted by them to receive the Life Study Standing Order and attend their trainings. After WL passed, the BB's used Fairborn and a few other "rebel" LC's in the area to create inroads of support to undermine TC's authority in the region.

During the GLA Quarantines (circa 2006) I said repeatedly that many more regional leaders would have supported TC, except for the way he treated them. After working together with Cleveland for decades, Chicago joined LSM because their leader (Bill Barker) got publicly shamed by TC over a local matter involving the Spanish language work. Here's a full time senior worker in his 60's, leading a region of LC's (in IL, WI, IN, MN) getting majorly chastised over a minor matter in front of many younger brothers. This is how TC created enemies out of beloved brothers. This is how WL trained TC to rule the LC's.
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A sister from the GLA showed me the book "The Pilgram Church" by Broadbent that shows that God has always had a faithful church, and it's not the one that declares its own beauty and faithfulness to the Lord.
Yes, the Pilgrim Church is great chronicle of church history that I believe illustrates the proper "remnant" principle.
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