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Originally Posted by Ohio

Do you consider yourself one of these hopeless Christians?

Yes. And I'm in good company going back to the beginning of Christianity. But modernity, and science, is really giving Christianity a hard way to go theses days, like never before.

Plus, Christianity in is such a mess ... and comes nowhere close to Jesus' prayer in John 17. So bad indeed that Witness Lee could claim that Christianity is Christless ... and it had the ring of truth to it.

And now, evangelicals are voting for Trump ... and the wheels are coming off the evangelical wagon ... and making them look bad, and/or crazy.

So ... Isn't modernity and science winning? By observation and evidence, Christianity does indeed look hopeless ... sorry to say.