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[Ohio]

Originally Posted by OBW

You rant. And I respond in kind. So yes, I rant.

But the rant (from my perspective) is about the immediate response to the question that takes the discussion where I didn't care for it to go. If you want that discussion, start your own.

But unless someone else comes along and starts to discuss, I guess it was just a waste of my digital breath.

Sorry I brought it up.

Sounds to me like you only want discussions that match your views.

[OBW]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Sounds to me like you only want discussions that match your views.

I would like to discuss what it is about liberal positions in general that cannot be held by an intelligent Christian. I have known some that did just that and I was not compelled to wonder as if there is some kind of cloud hanging over either their intelligence or their Christian faith.

And I have stated that my views are conservative. But it seems problematic to presume that views that disagree with me are the result of either poor to no Christian faith or a lack of intelligence (or both).

Without separately responding to the other post, I note that there are reasons to have conversation with all kinds of people from the standpoint of the gospel, among other reasons. I am not suggesting that we remove our positions. But rather that from a political standpoint, those positions should not drive all kinds of other positions simply because they are generally within a grouping of positions that we call liberal.

You seem OK with dismissing the worst of the conservative side as not speaking for you, or not representing your intentions. I similarly hold to many conservative positions. But those who are involved in various kinds of hate crimes from within the ranks of conservatives does not make all of the conservative positions invalid.

Neither does a position in favor of available abortion simply invalidate all other liberal positions.

The question is valid. Does taking liberal positions call into question the intelligence or Christian faith of the one with those positions?

You have been ducking that question. And maybe you can actually make specific arguments that would cause particular liberal positions (and let's keep the hot topics off the table) to be of questionable validity. But so far you haven't even tried. You have pointed to all kinds of things that do not address the question or the issue.

Do you think that only supporters of abortion hold to other liberal positions? Such as more generous welfare? An immigration amnesty program? And so on?

And even if a lot who hold those other positions also do support abortion, does that automatically taint the other positions?