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[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Intothewind

Awareness: indeed.

I don't see why the legalization of gay marriage is such a big deal to conservative Christians. You're not of this world, why should you care how the govt. Defines marriage? If God doesn't see it as marriage...it should matter not what man calls it.

Trump seems to be supportive of the lgbtq community. I wonder if that angers fundamentalists.

And then a surprising lack of concern for issues that should matter to all...the loss of a healthy middle class, policy on climate change, environmental regulations, and humanitarian causes. Perhaps God will fix those.

Conservative God-fearing Christians are very interested in moral issues, economic issues, climate issues, and social issues, humanitarian issues, being very concerned for the country we leave our children. We are not of this world, but does that mean we don't care about jobs, education, crime, etc. Your logic is upside down in my opinion.

For the most part, there is no fixing the serious issues of our day. For example, when the federal deficit was half its size we spent more time discussing it. Have you not noticed that things are deteriorating rather than improving. Racial tensions are higher than ever, yet statistics say the AA communities are worse off than ever. There is much emphasis today on lgbt "rights," but their demographics and social status are among the highest economically.

Time will tell whether the Bible or the wishful utopians are correct.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Time will tell whether the Bible or the wishful utopians are correct.

Like Thomas Jefferson said of believing in fantastical supernatural things : "It neither breaks my leg nor picks my pocket."

That's how I feel about all this gay "problem." Of course if we believe the Bible is supernatural then we know how it feels about homosexuality ; starting in Leviticus, the 3rd book of the Bible.

But Leviticus has lots of laws and commandments from God in it. How come Christians aren't up in arms about processing and eating pork, or lobster, or shrimp ... just to list a few. Not even Westboro Baptists are picketing and protesting against those. Talk about cherry picking laws from the Bible.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Like Thomas Jefferson said of believing in fantastical supernatural things : "It neither breaks my leg nor picks my pocket."

That's how I feel about all this gay "problem." Of course if we believe the Bible is supernatural then we know how it feels about homosexuality ; starting in Leviticus, the 3rd book of the Bible.

But Leviticus has lots of laws and commandments from God in it. How come Christians aren't up in arms about processing and eating pork, or lobster, or shrimp ... just to list a few. Not even Westboro Baptists are picketing and protesting against those. Talk about cherry picking laws from the Bible.

Do you really want an answer for this?

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Do you really want an answer for this?

Yeah ... how come?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

That's how I feel about all this gay "problem." Of course if we believe the Bible is supernatural then we know how it feels about homosexuality ; starting in Leviticus, the 3rd book of the Bible.

But Leviticus has lots of laws and commandments from God in it. How come Christians aren't up in arms about processing and eating pork, or lobster, or shrimp ... just to list a few. Not even Westboro Baptists are picketing and protesting against those. Talk about cherry picking laws from the Bible.

Leviticus was written to Israel under the Old Covenant.

Leviticus was not written to the church under the New Covenant.

As a general rule, unless the New Covenant specifically instructs us to receive something from the Old Covenant, I do not follow its laws or ordinances.

Concerning the eating of pork et.al. Firstly, it is an old covenant regulation. Secondly, there is no new covenant instruction to abstain from pork. Thirdly, Peter in his trance was specifically instructed to eat all manner of foods. (Acts 10.9-16)

Concerning homosexuality. Firstly, it was an old covenant regulation. (Leviticus 18.22, 20.13) Secondly, there is a strong warning about this from the judgment of Sodom and Gomorrah. (Genesis 19) Amos 4.11 and numerous other verses repeat this warning to Israel. Thirdly, the New Testament reiterates this injunction. (Romans 1.26-27, I Timothy 1.10, I Cor. 6.9) The tragedy of Sodom and Gomorrah is also remembered in Jude 7 and 2 Peter 2.6.

This is why Christians do not view the eating of pork and homosexuality the same.

[Intothewind]

Paul, instructs to abstain from blood and strangled animals as well. I know plenty of LC folks who eat cubed blood...certainly many who eat meat that is not kosher. I think homosexuality, like evolution, just really hits deep on fundamental belief

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Concerning homosexuality. Firstly, it was an old covenant regulation. . . . Thirdly, the New Testament reiterates this injunction. (Romans 1.26-27, I Timothy 1.10, I Cor. 6.9) The tragedy of Sodom and Gomorrah is also remembered in Jude 7 and 2 Peter 2.6.

This is why Christians do not view the eating of pork and homosexuality the same.

Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

1Ti 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

I won't go on. All I see from these gay obsessed Christians, besides closet gay indicators, is : More Cherry pickin'.

Besides whoremongers and menstealers (was Paul jealous) those verses include others, like whisperers. If whisperers can't make The Kingdom we're all in trouble.

My point is : Christians are all up in arms about gays, but don't protest, or speak out loudly (to say the least) against gossipers. Why, cuz if they reject gossipers there won't be in money in their coffers any more, and they won't have enough money to even buy vBulletin. They'd have to use Facebook. But then the only reason anyone would 'Friend' them would be to talk behind their backs. haha.

Originally Posted by Ohio

Concerning the eating of pork et.al. Firstly, it is an old covenant regulation. Secondly, there is no new covenant instruction to abstain from pork. Thirdly, Peter in his trance was specifically instructed to eat all manner of foods. (Acts 10.9-16)

And that dream of Peter?!? Thanks for pointing it out. I've always loved that story. Why? Because God pulls a switcheroo on Peter, and reveals He has different judgments than Peter got from the OT (if Peter could even read).

The ultimate moral of the story, besides inclusiveness of forbidden food is : We can't use the Bible to determine what God does, or doesn't do, or will do, in the future, or at the judgment seat.

For all we know, for reasons beyond us, God could give some gays a pass ... like He will surely do for the whisperers (unless He wants heaven to be empty -- He could do that too, btw).

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by awareness

Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

1Ti 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

I won't go on. All I see from these gay obsessed Christians, besides closet gay indicators, is : More Cherry pickin'.

Besides whoremongers and menstealers (was Paul jealous) those verses include others, like whisperers. If whisperers can't make The Kingdom we're all in trouble.

My point is : Christians are all up in arms about gays, but don't protest, or speak out loudly (to say the least) against gossipers. Why, cuz if they reject gossipers there won't be in money in their coffers any more, and they won't have enough money to even buy vBulletin. They'd have to use Facebook. But then the only reason anyone would 'Friend' them would be to talk behind their backs. haha.


And that dream of Peter?!? Thanks for pointing it out. I've always loved that story. Why? Because God pulls a switcheroo on Peter, and reveals He has different judgments than Peter got from the OT (if Peter could even read).

The ultimate moral of the story, besides inclusiveness of forbidden food is : We can't use the Bible to determine what God does, or doesn't do, or will do, in the future, or at the judgment seat.

For all we know, for reasons beyond us, God could give some gays a pass ... like He will surely do for the whisperers (unless He wants heaven to be empty -- He could do that too, btw).

Awareness, firstly, good to participate in this side of the discussion, as one who holds alternative views myself, I think I fit right in.

Secondly, on topic - Christians focus on gay marriage because it was gay marriage which was accepted, not gossip-approving laws, or murder-approving laws (actually, abortion could fit in this category).
You should be thankful for all the Christians who are against gay marriage. Basically, a Christian at home standing against gay marriage is doing greater service for their country than a soldier in Afghanistan. You know why? Because God is a bigger threat to America than terrorists will ever be. Just ask Sodom and Gomorrah. Those that try to prevent God's judgement are doing a greater service to their country. If you disagree with me, what's your reason? Don't believe in God? Don't fear God? Don't believe in God's judgement? Believe terrorists are more powerful than God? Am open to hear the real reason you think the issue of gay marriage is not that important.

Perhaps it is the perceived hypocrisy of Christians to obsess about gay marriage over other issues. Unlike gossip, the matter is important from a societal, family and generational viewpoint. There are good reasons for Christians to focus on it over other issues.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

Awareness, firstly, good to participate in this side of the discussion, as one who holds alternative views myself, I think I fit right in.

Welcome. It's becoming apparent that you hold alternative views.

But maybe not on Sodom and Gomorrha and homosexuality.

Originally Posted by Evangelical

You should be thankful for all the Christians who are against gay marriage. Basically, a Christian at home standing against gay marriage is doing greater service for their country than a soldier in Afghanistan. You know why? Because God is a bigger threat to America than terrorists will ever be. Just ask Sodom and Gomorrah.

Well I don't know that God judged Sodom and Gomorrah for homesexuality. Not according to Ezekiel anyway :

Eze 16:49 Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy.
Eze 16:50 They were haughty and did an abomination before me. So I removed them, when I saw it.


I take you saying Christians against gay marriage are doing America a service by trying to hold back God's judgment, as He did to S & G. But Ezekiel explains the reason for His judgment was for : "pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. They were haughty... "