Reading the Bible does not Give us the Spirit

HERn · 11-03-2016, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Evangelical

There is a quote on the main page of this site that I just want to address:
The Spirit inspired the Word and therefore He goes where the Word goes.
The more of God's Word you know and love, the more of God's Spirit you will experience. ~ John Piper...

Silly Evangelical! Straining at knats and swallowing camels. Piper used the word love. I don't know about you but the people I love I talk to and that includes the Lord Jesus. I'll let you be the judge of whether there is a spiritual interaction between me and my Lord when I read, study, pray, and obey His word.

Evangelical · 11-03-2016, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by HERn

Silly Evangelical! Straining at knats and swallowing camels. Piper used the word love. I don't know about you but the people I love I talk to and that includes the Lord Jesus. I'll let you be the judge of whether there is a spiritual interaction between me and my Lord when I read, study, pray, and obey His word.

The problem is if we put the emphasis on our bible knowledge and bible study, no matter how much we love it. Loving the Scripture didn't work for the Pharisees.

In any case, it doesn't change the truth of the statement "reading the Bible does not give us the Spirit".

The Scripture teaches only one way to get the Spirit - ask, or hear in faith.

Ohio · 11-04-2016, 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Evangelical

The problem is if we put the emphasis on our bible knowledge and bible study, no matter how much we love it. Loving the Scripture didn't work for the Pharisees.

It doesn't seem to be working for you either.

Nell · 11-05-2016, 10:43 PM

Yeah...I hear a lot of sounding brass and tinkling symbols.

Nell

Evangelical · 11-06-2016, 12:04 AM

You are most welcome to share any bible verse you have showing that when we read the Bible we experience the Spirit.

JJ · 11-06-2016, 10:09 PM

So Evangelical, remind me again how you interpret

Eph 6:17-18 (NASB):
"And take THE HELMET OF SALVATION, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. With all prayer and petition pray at all times in the Spirit, and with this in view, be on the alert with all perseverance and petition for all the saints,"

Because since I do believe that the Bible is the word of God, I can experience the Spirit when I take it up with prayer and petition.

Evangelical · 11-07-2016, 08:30 PM

I believe it refers to the words the Spirit gives us to "fight" our adversaries.
It does not mean that the written word of God is the sword of the Spirit.

The Scripture overwhelming uses sword to refer to the spoken word, not written word.

Consider:

Hebrews 4:12 "For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart."

Isaiah 49:2 He made my mouth like a sharpened sword,

Luke 12:12 for the Holy Spirit will teach you at that time what you should say."

Luke 21:15 "For I will give you words and wisdom that none of your adversaries will be able to resist or contradict."

Revelation 2:16 "Otherwise, I will soon come to you and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth"

Revelation 19:15 "From his mouth came a sharp sword to strike down the nations"

It seems you need the Bible to be able to wage spiritual warfare - you read it, you apply it, you speak or pray what it says. However for Jesus and the disciples, they did not need the Bible to do that, just the Holy Spirit.

The sword of the Spirit is (Isaiah 49:2) or comes from (Revelation 19:15), our mouth. Many Christians believe the "sword" is the written Bible in their hands, but the Scripture shows the sword is to do with our mouth.

11-05-2016, 10:43 PM	#4
Nell Admin/Moderator Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 2,124	Re: Reading the Bible does not Give us the Spirit Yeah...I hear a lot of sounding brass and tinkling symbols. Nell

11-06-2016, 12:04 AM	#5
Evangelical Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 3,965	Re: Reading the Bible does not Give us the Spirit You are most welcome to share any bible verse you have showing that when we read the Bible we experience the Spirit.

11-06-2016, 10:09 PM	#6
JJ Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 1,006	Re: Reading the Bible does not Give us the Spirit So Evangelical, remind me again how you interpret Eph 6:17-18 (NASB): "And take THE HELMET OF SALVATION, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. With all prayer and petition pray at all times in the Spirit, and with this in view, be on the alert with all perseverance and petition for all the saints," Because since I do believe that the Bible is the word of God, I can experience the Spirit when I take it up with prayer and petition. __________________ And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth. (John 1:14 NASB)

11-07-2016, 08:30 PM	#7
Evangelical Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 3,965	Re: Reading the Bible does not Give us the Spirit I believe it refers to the words the Spirit gives us to "fight" our adversaries. It does not mean that the written word of God is the sword of the Spirit. The Scripture overwhelming uses sword to refer to the spoken word, not written word. Consider: Hebrews 4:12 "For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart." Isaiah 49:2 He made my mouth like a sharpened sword, Luke 12:12 for the Holy Spirit will teach you at that time what you should say." Luke 21:15 "For I will give you words and wisdom that none of your adversaries will be able to resist or contradict." Revelation 2:16 "Otherwise, I will soon come to you and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth" Revelation 19:15 "From his mouth came a sharp sword to strike down the nations" It seems you need the Bible to be able to wage spiritual warfare - you read it, you apply it, you speak or pray what it says. However for Jesus and the disciples, they did not need the Bible to do that, just the Holy Spirit. The sword of the Spirit is (Isaiah 49:2) or comes from (Revelation 19:15), our mouth. Many Christians believe the "sword" is the written Bible in their hands, but the Scripture shows the sword is to do with our mouth.