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[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

If evangelical Christians voted for Trump as I read they did, they have lost any claim to moral authority or family values. Their Christianity is as genuine as Melania's boobs.

So then we judge Christians based on whether they voted democrat or republican?

For the record I did more soul searching for this election than any previous one. I eliminated Donald Trump very early on, even before he was nominated. However, I continued to consider Clinton much, much longer than I ever would have otherwise.

But in the end I felt that I could not in good conscience vote for her. I felt the two other candidates were both a joke and not even worthy of a protest vote.

So, I stayed home. I live in NY, the state was not in play, my vote was irrelevant from day one. But, I felt the best thing for this election is the fewer people who vote the better.

Doing the math there were 12% of registered voters actually voted for Trump because they wanted him (the rest either were voting against Clinton or not voting). There was a similar number for Clinton. If 76% of Americans had not voted that would have been the best possible outcome. One of them would be elected with 12% of the vote but there would be no mandate.

That said I am hopeful that this will turn out for the best. I am reminded of the protests in the streets of NY when Ronald Reagan was president, everyone was concerned he was going to start a nuclear war. In the end it turned out for the best and I now like him as a president.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

For the record I did more soul searching for this election than any previous one. I eliminated Donald Trump very early on, even before he was nominated. However, I continued to consider Clinton much, much longer than I ever would have otherwise.

But in the end I felt that I could not in good conscience vote for her. I felt the two other candidates were both a joke and not even worthy of a protest vote.

So, I stayed home. I live in NY, the state was not in play, my vote was irrelevant from day one. But, I felt the best thing for this election is the fewer people who vote the better.

I stayed home during the primaries. It was all pretty disgusting. Even Rubio took things into the gutter.

I liked Huckabee, for one. One thing he said about politics was interesting -- "if you can't stand the sight of your own blood, you better get out!"

I have a long standing policy about politicians -- don't pay attention to what they say, but what they do, and who they surround themselves with.

Trump surrounded himself with some people I respected, like Pence, Giuliani, Carson, Gingrich, etc.

Huma Abedin Weiner was a definite deal breaker for me, irrespective of all the Clinton issues, now widely broadcasted on WikiLeaks for all to see. For me it reeks of a puppet presidency a la Manchurian.

The real question in the aftermath of this election result, is what will happen to the FBI investigation of Clinton, now that AG Lynch will be the first to lose her job.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I stayed home during the primaries. It was all pretty disgusting. Even Rubio took things into the gutter.

I liked Huckabee, for one. One thing he said about politics was interesting -- "if you can't stand the sight of your own blood, you better get out!"

I have a long standing policy about politicians -- don't pay attention to what they say, but what they do, and who they surround themselves with.

Trump surrounded himself with some people I respected, like Pence, Giuliani, Carson, Gingrich, etc.

Huma Abedin Weiner was a definite deal breaker for me, irrespective of all the Clinton issues, now widely broadcasted on WikiLeaks for all to see. For me it reeks of a puppet presidency a la Manchurian.

The real question in the aftermath of this election result, is what will happen to the FBI investigation of Clinton, now that AG Lynch will be the first to lose her job.

Studying a little history about Lyndon Johnson and Nixon gives me a lot of pause over making too much out of what they say. Just because the campaign was incredibly shocking this time, it was only because we actually got to peak behind the curtain. If we had done so with earlier presidents it would have been very shocking as well.

For all of Clinton's sins, I don't see them as all that different from LBJ's.

As for Trump people were equally worried, if not more so, over Ronald Reagan (everyone seems to forget that). Teddy Roosevelt was also one that scared the establishment.

I have also come to appreciate the collective wisdom more than I did when I was younger. I don't dismiss the choice of 60 million people (which of course means I don't dismiss the fact that a number that large voted for Clinton also).

Many years ago I used to think that the Electoral college was a poor way to elect a president, but now I think differently. My thought is that the concerns of people in major cities are quite similar, if you were to make it a straight one person one vote then all of the candidates would focus on the 20 largest cities and ignore 99% of the country. Because of the Electoral college geography becomes more important. It is as though we are giving people and land an opportunity to be represented.

If our president only represented the 20 largest cities it would do the country a disservice.

As for Wikileaks I think they serve an important role in society. Prior to this whistleblowers suffered serious repercussions. No one would dare blow the whistle on the Clinton's. But we have entered a new era where truly, what is done in secret will be shouted from the rooftop. So although we saw horrible corruption I suspect this is similar to the corruption that existed in the police department a hundred years ago. The best cure is to shine a bright light. Going forward I expect that wikileaks can balance out the corrosive effect of corporations on our democratic process. "You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free".

How ironic if this data dump is credited to the Russians. You can be sure that they too will reap what they sow.

How astounding is it that Clinton was crying for hours blaming Comey and Obama. It just amazes me how no one takes any responsibility for their actions. In her eyes her loss was not due to the things she did, but rather the things that Comey did and Obama didn't do. It makes you lose any remaining respect you might have still had for these people.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Studying a little history about Lyndon Johnson and Nixon gives me a lot of pause over making too much out of what they say. Just because the campaign was incredibly shocking this time, it was only because we actually got to peak behind the curtain. If we had done so with earlier presidents it would have been very shocking as well.

For all of Clinton's sins, I don't see them as all that different from LBJ's.

As for Trump people were equally worried, if not more so, over Ronald Reagan (everyone seems to forget that). Teddy Roosevelt was also one that scared the establishment.

I have also come to appreciate the collective wisdom more than I did when I was younger. I don't dismiss the choice of 60 million people (which of course means I don't dismiss the fact that a number that large voted for Clinton also).

Many years ago I used to think that the Electoral college was a poor way to elect a president, but now I think differently. My thought is that the concerns of people in major cities are quite similar, if you were to make it a straight one person one vote then all of the candidates would focus on the 20 largest cities and ignore 99% of the country. Because of the Electoral college geography becomes more important. It is as though we are giving people and land an opportunity to be represented.

If our president only represented the 20 largest cities it would do the country a disservice.

As for Wikileaks I think they serve an important role in society. Prior to this whistleblowers suffered serious repercussions. No one would dare blow the whistle on the Clinton's. But we have entered a new era where truly, what is done in secret will be shouted from the rooftop. So although we saw horrible corruption I suspect this is similar to the corruption that existed in the police department a hundred years ago. The best cure is to shine a bright light. Going forward I expect that wikileaks can balance out the corrosive effect of corporations on our democratic process. "You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free".

How ironic if this data dump is credited to the Russians. You can be sure that they too will reap what they sow.

How astounding is it that Clinton was crying for hours blaming Comey and Obama. It just amazes me how no one takes any responsibility for their actions. In her eyes her loss was not due to the things she did, but rather the things that Comey did and Obama didn't do. It makes you lose any remaining respect you might have still had for these people.

Great points about LBJ, whom I never liked.

Electoral College is part of the Founders' wisdom, it is never going away. I do wish the teachers in America would inform their students that America is a republic, not a democracy. Please inform Van Jones also.

How ironic is it on the LCD forum, we are discussing politicians who act the same as Christian leaders. They both have monster egos, fight nasty battles, deceive the public, play the blame game, and never take ownership.

What do you think Trump will do about the Clinton Foundation and other criminal activities?

[zeek]

Trump meets with the "founder of ISIS" and says he's a "good man"!?!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ince-election/

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by zeek

Trump meets with the "founder of ISIS" and says he's a "good man"!?!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ince-election/

He said a very good man. Now that he knows he will be President he has dropped the acting he needed to get the votes and has become nice and friendly all of a sudden, almost like a normal person. I'll be surprised if he does even one of the things he said he would do. The establishment has won again, by fooling the people into thinking they had elected someone who was anti-establishment.

This is because Trump was and has always been part of the "establishment". He's not some guy off the street working his way up to the top, he's always been one of the "elites". Trump just pulled off one of the biggest scams of all. Pretending to be anti-establishment to ride his way to the top. Now he no longer has to act, he will become his regular old self.

See here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nomi-p..._10927244.html


OR, Trump never wanted to be president. It was all an act:
http://michaelmoore.com/TrumpSabotage/

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

Trump meets with the "founder of ISIS" and says he's a "good man"!?!

Death of a dynasty that was rotten to its core:
After 40 years of sex, lies and scandals,
The Clintons are to leave public life beset by a crushing humiliation

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4PhkwKJB2

TravelGate
WhiteWater "Investments"
Assaults on women
Monica in the Oval Office
Clinton Foundation
Benghazi deaths
Emails Revelations in WikiLeaks

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Death of a dynasty that was rotten to its core:
After 40 years of sex, lies and scandals,
The Clintons are to leave public life beset by a crushing humiliation

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4PhkwKJB2

TravelGate
WhiteWater "Investments"
Assaults on women
Monica in the Oval Office
Clinton Foundation
Benghazi deaths
Emails Revelations in WikiLeaks

And yet more Americans voted for her than they did for Trump. Trump was right the system is rigged. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/11/op...smtyp=cur&_r=0

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

What do you think Trump will do about the Clinton Foundation and other criminal activities?

I think Giuliani will be appointed to head the justice department and he will have to follow up. If they don't follow up now then 3 years from now Clinton starts another campaign you couldn't begin the investigation then.

Also, Trump's whole raison de existence is that he is the bull in the china shop who is going to smash these corrupt politicians to pieces (the proverbial jawbone of an ass). Clinton has been given to him on a silver platter. If he doesn't follow up there will be huge protests in the street and not from "Black Lives Matter".

What do you think about the Obama's choosing not to have the ceremonial photograph of outgoing and incoming presidents taken?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I think Giuliani will be appointed to head the justice department and he will have to follow up. If they don't follow up now then 3 years from now Clinton starts another campaign you couldn't begin the investigation then.

Also, Trump's whole raison de existence is that he is the bull in the china shop who is going to smash these corrupt politicians to pieces (the proverbial jawbone of an ass). Clinton has been given to him on a silver platter. If he doesn't follow up there will be huge protests in the street and not from "Black Lives Matter".

What do you think about the Obama's choosing not to have the ceremonial photograph of outgoing and incoming presidents taken?

Can Obama pardon Clinton from office before she is even indicted?

Didn't hear about the ceremonial pic. Perhaps their new found "love" had reached its limit.

I was very impressed with Obama's comments about the professionalism displayed by the Bush Administration 8 years ago. I have lots of respect for Bush 43. He was a man of conviction and personal integrity in contrast to his predecessor. Hopefully Obama will return the professionalism to Trump.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I think Giuliani will be appointed to head the justice department and he will have to follow up. If they don't follow up now then 3 years from now Clinton starts another campaign you couldn't begin the investigation then.

Also, Trump's whole raison de existence is that he is the bull in the china shop who is going to smash these corrupt politicians to pieces (the proverbial jawbone of an ass). Clinton has been given to him on a silver platter. If he doesn't follow up there will be huge protests in the street and not from "Black Lives Matter".

What do you think about the Obama's choosing not to have the ceremonial photograph of outgoing and incoming presidents taken?

I would like to see a felony conviction, and then let her off with a huge fine and probation. That's how it always seems to go with the rich and powerful.

I think that might appease both sides.