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[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

Not- my- president" Democrat Whiner says :"I don't want to see trickle-down racism...
I don't want to see a president of the United States saying things which change the character of the generations of Americans that are following.
Presidents have an impact on the nature of our nation, and

• trickle-down racism,
• trickle-down bigotry,
• trickle-down misogyny,

all these things are extraordinarily dangerous to the heart and character of America."
I think he makes a good point. What do you say?

I agree that a President may have more influence than many other people, perhaps not as much as a rap star, or hollywood star, or basketball star, but still they do have some influence.

What I don't get is this whole portrayal that saying you will shut off immigration from countries we are at war with (and if you determine that this is a religious war then it stands to reason that comes into play) is racist and bigoted.

What I don't get is saying that you are going to round up people who are here illegally, focusing on those who are not only here illegally but also committing crimes, and send them back to their country of origin is racist and bigoted. What is the point of having laws if you don't enforce them? When Teddy Roosevelt was police commissioner of NYC he enforced laws against drinking on Sunday. This was very unpopular. But his point was that the way to deal with an unpopular law is to change it. By keeping the law and not enforcing it you were promoting corruption.

As for the misogyny Trump is guilty.

But then JZ and Beyonce are on the stage with Clinton and you realize how can that be a reason to pick her? She surrounds herself with rapists (Bill), perverts (Weiner) and rap stars.

People confuse the issue, there was no backlash or whitelash for Trump, he received fewer votes than Romney. Half the people who voted for Trump said that it was primarily a vote against Clinton rather than for Trump. The reason Clinton lost the Electoral College vote was due to 500,000 people. she received 8 million votes less than Obama and think of the advantages she had. She should have motivated women to come out and vote, a much bigger group than blacks. She was backed by Obama, Beyonce and Lebron James, you would think that would also help pick up the black vote. She spent twice as much as Trump on her campaign and by all accounts had a very well run organization, and yet couldn't get people to come out and vote for her.

The reason you have a primary is so that you get the candidate that the party supports, they short circuited that process and paid for it.

Also, this whole fear mongering about Trump's temperament. The unspoken he is like Hitler. If we had had wikileaks at the time of Hitler he never would have become the maniacal killer. There were numerous people in very high places who tried to put a stop to him, with Wikileaks the whole world would have known about many of his issues years earlier. That would have derailed him.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

As for the misogyny -- Trump is guilty.

People confuse the issue.

Also, this whole fear mongering about.

This is how the liberals and the liberal media distort perceptions.

Trump touches a woman inappropriately, which no one condones, and he gets branded a misongynist by the media.

Bill Clinton rapes and molests numerous women, while Hillary maligns all these victims' reputations, YET noone in the media brands them as misogynists.

This is what liberals just can't seem to understand.

Some, however, see through it. See through the endless bias.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

This is how the liberals and the liberal media distort perceptions.

Trump touches a woman inappropriately, which no one condones, and he gets branded a misongynist by the media.

Bill Clinton rapes and molests numerous women, while Hillary maligns all these victims' reputations, YET noone in the media brands them as misogynists.

This is what liberals just can't seem to understand.

Some, however, see through it. See through the endless bias.

I think 8 million fewer votes shows that many came to that conclusion.

However, I think this is just the first act. It is very clear that there are quite a few who are sharpening their knives for Trump. It is doubtful that a serious attempt to find something would yield nothing so I expect that this soap opera will continue. Whether it is Trump U, allegations of rape, ties to Russia, IRS foibles, ethics violations, whatever. We are in for a bumpy ride, especially with the tool like Wikileaks.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I think 8 million fewer votes shows that many came to that conclusion.

Apparently that basket of deplorables showed up to vote. I saw a few at my precinct.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

This is how the liberals and the liberal media distort perceptions.

Trump touches a woman inappropriately, which no one condones, and he gets branded a misongynist by the media.

Bill Clinton rapes and molests numerous women, while Hillary maligns all these victims' reputations, YET noone in the media brands them as misogynists.

This is what liberals just can't seem to understand.

Some, however, see through it. See through the endless bias.

So let's deport or jail all those nasty liberals.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

So let's deport or jail all those nasty liberals.

Start with those who promised to leave if Trump was elected.

[UntoHim]

Lots of "Politics" and no "the Church".

Two bookends as far as Jesus Christ is concerned - During his ministry: "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. - - At the end of his ministry: "My kingdom is not of this world".

Occasionally I hear something like "God is not a Republican or a Democrat". This would be akin to saying "God prefers electric cars over conventional piston engine cars." None of the aforementioned things existed during the life and times of Jesus Christ, or the scripture writing apostles. In fact, nothing like them existed. (The Greeks and Romans introduced Western Civilization to pseudo republics and pseudo democracies, but really and truly they were much less than what we would consider a republic, democracy or a republic democracy.)

[ZNPaaneah]

Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge; because you have rejected knowledge, I reject you from being a priest to me. And since you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children.

I think we can all agree that our status in the NT is that of a royal priesthood. You may or may not want to get involved in Politics as a career, that is your choice based on your own skill set.

But you have been made a priest.

I think we can also agree that the NT did not somehow destroy the importance of knowledge. This verse can apply to Christians and Jews.

1Pet 2:13-17 Be subject for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good. For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people. Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God. Honor everyone. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the emperor.

The Lord's word that "His kingdom is not of this world" does not give us license to pretend we are not subject to every human institution. If you get involved in the political process you become subject to it. I think many Christians don't want to be subject to it so use certain NT verses as an excuse to justify their fear.

Pr 29:2 When the righteous increase, the people rejoice, but when the wicked rule, the people groan.

Jesus Christ has been made righteousness to us. We can see that not only US citizens are groaning but the whole world is groaning when they see the wicked rule in the US. Whether we are talking about assassinations, covert operations, wars for profit, wars to develop our military industrial complex, "pay to play" with Clinton's foundation and who knows who else.

So then, this is not a job for the church, they are not a democracy, they are not an organization for political advantage, Jesus is Lord in the church, it is not a democracy. That said, any Christian that feels led by the Lord certainly could get involved in the process. It can glorify Jesus, it can benefit God's people, it can cause the people to rejoice. It could be a ministry of praise and worship.

Abraham Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Truman and Eisenhower are all positive examples.

There are quite a few others who would still be considered men of character.

On the other hand we have begun to see the wicked rule and the people groan. I would say this became most pronounced with the Box 13 scandal and LBJ's ascension to power.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by UntoHim

Lots of "Politics" and no "the Church".

Methinks bro zeek jumped the shark with the title of this thread. He thru church in to make it sound relevant, methinks.

Originally Posted by UntoHim

Two bookends as far as Jesus Christ is concerned - During his ministry: "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. - - At the end of his ministry: "My kingdom is not of this world".

And there's the church part. Now the rest of the thread will be about politics. That's okay. If it fires passion enough to keep the convo going, great.

But from time to time, for balance perhaps, Someone should drop in the churches position. Which is what Untohim cutely calls "bookends."

Originally Posted by UntoHim

Occasionally I hear something like "God is not a Republican or a Democrat". This would be akin to saying "God prefers electric cars over conventional piston engine cars." None of the aforementioned things existed during the life and times of Jesus Christ, or the scripture writing apostles.

Methinks -- there I go thinking again -- the Bible differs with you on this, tho maybe stretching parallels ... but maybe not too much -- you decide :

Jdg_1:19 And the LORD was with Judah, and he took possession of the hill country, but he could not drive out the inhabitants of the plain because they had chariots of iron.

Methinks, not again, the piston drive cars parallel chariots of iron.

Let's bring church into this, What should be the church's position on nuclear weapons? If God couldn't whip chariots of iron, He doesn't stand a chance against nukes. Should the church be for weapons the Lord of Hosts can't defeat?

Originally Posted by UntoHIM

In fact, nothing like them existed. (The Greeks and Romans introduced Western Civilization to pseudo republics and pseudo democracies, but really and truly they were much less than what we would consider a republic, democracy or a republic democracy.)

I fancy this idea that we can't relate life 2 and 3 thousands yrs ago with today. Some of our brethren are so obsessed with relating the Bible to everything that they are claiming the president elect Donald Trump is Cyrus the great. Haha ... he could just as easily be Nebuchadnezzar, putting us to the sword and leading us into slavery. Hey, it's important that everything be Biblical ... else God ain't doing it. And God forbid that.

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by UntoHim

Occasionally I hear something like "God is not a Republican or a Democrat". This would be akin to saying "God prefers electric cars over conventional piston engine cars." None of the aforementioned things existed during the life and times of Jesus Christ, or the scripture writing apostles. In fact, nothing like them existed. (The Greeks and Romans introduced Western Civilization to pseudo republics and pseudo democracies, but really and truly they were much less than what we would consider a republic, democracy or a republic democracy.)

Yup, like denominations, Christmas, Easter, and Christian tithing.

But truly, God cares about American politics. After Trump's election win, many Christian prophets and prophetesses have spoken messages from God about how Trump will be President. Trump is God's chosen one.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

Yup, like denominations, Christmas, Easter, and Christian tithing.

But truly, God cares about American politics. After Trump's election win, many Christian prophets and prophetesses have spoken messages from God about how Trump will be President. Trump is God's chosen one.

Yes, but is he Cyrus the great or Nebuchadnezzar? Nabu, son of the god Marduk, was the Babylonian deity of wisdom. He sacked the temple in Jerusalem, and was considered God's servant while doing it, apparently for God :

Jer 27:6 And now have I given all these lands into the hand of Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, my servant; and the beasts of the field have I given him also to serve him.

Get that. God destroyed His own temple, and put the Jews to the sword and led off to captivity.

In Jeremiah He even says :

Jer 19:3 And say, Hear ye the word of the LORD, O kings of Judah, and inhabitants of Jerusalem; Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, the which whosoever heareth, his ears shall tingle.

Maybe that verse belongs on the POE thread, because it's evidence that God brings evil.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

Yup, like denominations, Christmas, Easter, and Christian tithing.

And publishing houses, FTTAs, 501c.4, LaPalma campus, skyscrapers, motor home businesses, using God's people for free labor, DCP legal services to sue other publishers, noncompliany LCs, etc.

The list goes on and on and on and on.

After examining LSM and the LC's, them old denoms are starting to look pretty good!