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[zeek]

Yes Trump has risen to a job which is beyond his level of competence. But, can anything prevent him from having his Reichstag fire?

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

Yes Trump has risen to a job which is beyond his level of competence. But, can anything prevent him from having his Reichstag fire?

The FBI, the CIA, the Media, the Democrats, and of course the Republicans like McCain, Ryan, etc.

Trump does not compare very well with Hitler, the best comparison to Hitler today is Putin. Taking the Ukraine can be viewed as Hitler rolling into Austria. Coming into the fray in Syria, maybe Poland. Putin has taken a country devastated by the cold war, economic ruin, headed by a buffoon, and completely turned it around so that they have become very nationalistic and very scary. I would not want to be Eastern Europe today.

I think a better analogy for Trump is Neville Chamberlain.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

The FBI, the CIA, the Media, the Democrats, and of course the Republicans like McCain, Ryan, etc.

Trump does not compare very well with Hitler, the best comparison to Hitler today is Putin. Taking the Ukraine can be viewed as Hitler rolling into Austria. Coming into the fray in Syria, maybe Poland. Putin has taken a country devastated by the cold war, economic ruin, headed by a buffoon, and completely turned it around so that they have become very nationalistic and very scary. I would not want to be Eastern Europe today.

I think a better analogy for Trump is Neville Chamberlain.

George W. Bush had his Reichstag Fire. It was called 9/11. After that, his popularity rose empowering him to curtail our civil liberties with the Patriot Act to invade Afghanistan and Iraq and to get reelected. The so-called "balance of powers" of Congress, the Judiciary, and the media that you cited didn't prevent that. A major terrorist event could have a similar effect for Trump. So, I expect to see a similar event happen for Trump. I hope I'm wrong.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by zeek

A major terrorist event could have a similar effect for Trump. So, I expect to see a similar event happen for Trump. I hope I'm wrong.

Trump needs it and has the wherewithal to create it. I hope not, but wouldn't be surprised if it happened.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

Trump needs it and has the wherewithal to create it. I hope not, but wouldn't be surprised if it happened.

I would be very surprised if the FBI and CIA and NSA just "accepted" a terrorist attack without careful investigation. Trump seems to be exceedingly isolated without any allies. Quite a few of the major leaders in the Republican party are either attacking him outright or calling for a fair, independent investigation that "goes where it goes".

He has abysmally low popularity ratings.

The only ally he had, Paul Ryan, he is now throwing under the bus.

The conservatives have rejected him.

Who has Trump not alienated?

He has acted like someone completely incompetent. This is very different from Hitler who was underestimated. By comparison Trump is overestimated. We have a crucial superpower being led by a complete incompetent at a time when both Russia and China are unnervingly scary and making very aggressive moves. Trump is our chump, he is our Neville Chamberlain. Will North Korea, or Pakistan or ISIS be the trigger that sets off the crisis? Take your pick, the world is soon going to realize we have a power vacuum in the US and they will fill that vacuum.

[ZNPaaneah]

Wow, I was not aware that this was treasonous. Today I mixed mayo and ketchup together on a sandwich. It wasn't technically Russian dressing, but is it treasonous? I don't know? Should we ask Shawn Spicer? Will he yell at us? Has anyone seen anything like this before?

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Wow, I was not aware that this was treasonous. Today I mixed mayo and ketchup together on a sandwich. It wasn't technically Russian dressing, but is it treasonous? I don't know? Should we ask Shawn Spicer? Will he yell at us? Has anyone seen anything like this before?

Well, technically it's American dressing, that thing called "Russian dressing" was invented in America. If you add caviar then it becomes more Russian, and is possibly treasonous. So the question everyone should be asking - did Trump add caviar to his sauce?

Oh the irony.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

George W. Bush had his Reichstag Fire. It was called 9/11. After that, his popularity rose empowering him to curtail our civil liberties with the Patriot Act to invade Afghanistan and Iraq and to get reelected. The so-called "balance of powers" of Congress, the Judiciary, and the media that you cited didn't prevent that. A major terrorist event could have a similar effect for Trump. So, I expect to see a similar event happen for Trump. I hope I'm wrong.

Are you claiming that George Bush was the perpetrator of 911? Because the way I understand the Reichstag fire is that the Nazi's were the perpetrators, blamed the communists, and used the even to then seize power in Germany. We can certainly see George Bush using 911 to blame Iraq, and then use that to seize power through the Patriot act. But are you saying that George Bush somehow manipulated the death of thousands of Americans?

[zeek]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Are you claiming that George Bush was the perpetrator of 911? Because the way I understand the Reichstag fire is that the Nazi's were the perpetrators, blamed the communists, and used the even to then seize power in Germany. We can certainly see George Bush using 911 to blame Iraq, and then use that to seize power through the Patriot act. But are you saying that George Bush somehow manipulated the death of thousands of Americans?

It doesn't matter if Bush perpetrated 9/11 or not My point is that it had a salutary effect on his presidency even though it happened on his watch.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

It doesn't matter if Bush perpetrated 9/11 or not My point is that it had a salutary effect on his presidency even though it happened on his watch.

Seriously? Lots of events will have a "beneficial" effect on a presidency, Iranians releasing hostages for Reagan, Rise in employment for Trump (based on Obama's policies).

The Reichstag fire is a prime example of a "false flag" event. That makes it special, unique. Hitler didn't benefit as a result of coincidence but as a result of deceit, manipulation and evil.

Comparing 911 to the Reichstag fire will obviously be interpreted by many as you saying they are both false flag events. If you are not saying that then it definitely matters, it is clearly going to cause confusion and misunderstanding.

There are many, myself included, who feel that 911 was a false flag event. If there wasn't any suggestion that 911 was a false flag event then maybe you would be right, but since there are many that do believe it was a false flag event and compare it to the Reichstag fire for exactly that reason, Hitler used the fire to bring in certain laws opening the door for his dictatorship, 911 was used to pass the Patriot act, which has many similarities to the laws Hitler passed in Germany.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Seriously? Lots of events will have a "beneficial" effect on a presidency, Iranians releasing hostages for Reagan, Rise in employment for Trump (based on Obama's policies).

The Reichstag fire is a prime example of a "false flag" event. That makes it special, unique. Hitler didn't benefit as a result of coincidence but as a result of deceit, manipulation and evil.

Comparing 911 to the Reichstag fire will obviously be interpreted by many as you saying they are both false flag events. If you are not saying that then it definitely matters, it is clearly going to cause confusion and misunderstanding.

There are many, myself included, who feel that 911 was a false flag event. If there wasn't any suggestion that 911 was a false flag event then maybe you would be right, but since there are many that do believe it was a false flag event and compare it to the Reichstag fire for exactly that reason, Hitler used the fire to bring in certain laws opening the door for his dictatorship, 911 was used to pass the Patriot act, which has many similarities to the laws Hitler passed in Germany.

I don't know whether it was a false flag or not, but the result was that it empowered Bush and a similar event would likely empower Trump. Trump has shown that he would use that power against the free media and the judiciary.