Wait, It's A Cult?

[leastofthese]

Originally Posted by Drake

Leastofthese) "Ah I see, that's why I was so confused! Because I WAS personally warned - experiencing this live, in person, by multiple people, from multiple localities..... You know its deeply embedded in the culture. "

As it is here.

Drake

Being intimidated not to ask questions, being told directly to fall in line with the crowd, warned not to seek any insight from outside of the forum? Wait; do I need to check with Untohim what is ok to read, watch, listen to???

I must have missed the memo.

Drake which locality do you meet with?

[Drake]

Originally Posted by leastofthese

Being intimidated not to ask questions, being told directly to fall in line with the crowd, warned not to seek any insight from outside of the forum? Wait; do I need to check with Untohim what is ok to read, watch, listen to???

I must have missed the memo.

Drake which locality do you meet with?

The "memo" you missed was the thread you started called "Brothers, what shall we do?"

There you checked with the brothers:

"In regards to LSM:

Should we warn others that have recently touched the church?
Should we continue to pray for deliverance for friends in the church?
Do you consider LSM and LC to be standing on solid ground?
Should we command certain people not to teach false doctrines any longer or to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies?
Should we step in when we see believers led astray by hypocrisy and conduct that is not in step with the truth of the gospel?

Where Untohim provided you with the answers:

"leastofthese has posed some very relevant questions. My answers, in short, are Yes, Yes, No, Yes and a BIG YES! "

Therefore, warning others is deeply embedded in the culture of this forum. In fact, it is its very mission. In practice, it is mostly self affirmation, a support group, between a dozen or so regulars. Therefore, why shouldn't those in the local churches be warned about online forums like this one? They would be remiss not to. The threads have new titles but it is the same old song. Grasping for something new to talk about even ol' Hank gets kicked to the curb. The intolerance is both sad and amusing but no light.

Yet, those in the local churches are not obsessed about warning others about online forums like this online forum is about them. I recall hearing something maybe thrice in the last few decades and I have lived in several localities. Though there is a concerted effort to poison others against the local churches it has very little effect except now and then mostly a newbie will get picked off.

Net net is this. No one in this forum has the ground to condemn the local churches for warning others about those who would poison them.. Warning others is the deeply embedded culture of this forum.

Drake

[leastofthese]

Drake,

You are a hoot. Come back to reality my brother, don't be intimidated.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by leastofthese

Drake,

You are a hoot. Come back to reality my brother, don't be intimidated.

Lot,

Really now. Is that your canned response when you have no compelling point? "Don't be intimidated" That's it?

So soon you have fallen into the trappings of your own rhetoric. That my friend is your reality, not mine.

Drake

[leastofthese]

Originally Posted by Drake

Lot,

Really now. Is that your canned response when you have no compelling point? "Don't be intimidated" That's it?

So soon you have fallen into the trappings of your own rhetoric. That my friend is your reality, not mine.

Drake

Your perceptions don't match my reality, on many, many levels. So I guess I don't feel the need to speak above such a simple statement. Leastofthese ultimately doesn't change hearts and minds, it's our Lord and savior Jesus that has taken this role. I don't write on this forum for you, but for others. They can make their own conclusions.

May The Spirit guide your heart and bless you in all you do.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by leastofthese

Your perceptions don't match my reality, on many, many levels. So I guess I don't feel the need to speak above such a simple statement. Leastofthese ultimately doesn't change hearts and minds, it's our Lord and savior Jesus that has taken this role. I don't write on this forum for you, but for others. They can make their own conclusions.

May The Spirit guide your heart and bless you in all you do.

You like straight talk, right?

A month ago you were newbie looking for clarification and now you are a crusader for truth with all the answers. A ready soldier to warn and defend against the shams.

So now, step up.

Not all, but many posters here have succumbed to a simple set of catch phrases and scripts, and though they may have started out with the best intentions, over time they gave way to the notion that scripts and catch phrases are compelling arguments. They are not, but the group think here reinforces the notion that they are. You conformed sooner than most did putting up no apparent internal struggle which I find odd.

Drake

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Drake

You like straight talk, right?

A month ago you were newbie looking for clarification and now you are a crusader for truth with all the answers. A ready soldier to warn and defend against the shams.

So now, step up.

Not all, but many posters here have succumbed to a simple set of catch phrases and scripts, and though they may have started out with the best intentions, over time they gave way to the notion that scripts and catch phrases are compelling arguments. They are not, but the group think here reinforces the notion that they are. You conformed sooner than most did putting up no apparent internal struggle which I find odd.

Drake

I personally appreciate that there are those like Evangelical, Zeek and you (and even Harold who has been kicked to the curb) that challenge the group think.

That said you would be more credible if, like Ohio said, you actually did show a concern for those who have been stumbled.

Also, it has helped me to understand the different perspectives of ones like OBW, UntoHim and Igzy to know a little about their background, where they are from. It shows the perspective they have.

UntoHim was in Orange County, Igzy was in Austin, Ohio -- self explanatory, like myself Hope was in Texas, Indiana, Terry, Countmeworthy, Kisstheson etc. They all have shared a little of their testimony and where they are from which helps understand why we have different perspectives.

However, I must have missed it but I don't know your background or Evangelical's. That does not help us to be tolerant. Why the mystery?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Drake

You like straight talk, right?

A month ago you were newbie looking for clarification and now you are a crusader for truth with all the answers. A ready soldier to warn and defend against the shams.

So now, step up.

Not all, but many posters here have succumbed to a simple set of catch phrases and scripts, and though they may have started out with the best intentions, over time they gave way to the notion that scripts and catch phrases are compelling arguments. They are not, but the group think here reinforces the notion that they are. You conformed sooner than most did putting up no apparent internal struggle which I find odd.

Drake

You are so predictable Drake, never stooping to listen to others, but dismissing their comments as "canned responses, scripts, and catchphrases."

You have no idea how much your LC arrogance turns off other LC visitors and lurkers to this site. That's not just my opinion, but feedback from others over the years.

[leastofthese]

Originally Posted by Drake

You like straight talk, right?

A month ago you were newbie looking for clarification and now you are a crusader for truth with all the answers. A ready soldier to warn and defend against the shams.

So now, step up.

Not all, but many posters here have succumbed to a simple set of catch phrases and scripts, and though they may have started out with the best intentions, over time they gave way to the notion that scripts and catch phrases are compelling arguments. They are not, but the group think here reinforces the notion that they are. You conformed sooner than most did putting up no apparent internal struggle which I find odd.

Drake

I think you may have lost it Drake. Take a deep breath brother.

You don't know anything about what I've been doing, especially in relation to the LSM - how could you? 1 month? Having all the answers? You think I care about falling inline with Untohim or this forum?

All laughable. Literally, I mean I laughed when I read your post. I know literally doesn't mean the same thing these days, but I literally opened my mouth and laughed out loud at your post.

I'll let you have the last word bro, you need it. Maybe you can tell me more about me

[OBW]

Originally Posted by Drake

You like straight talk, right?

A month ago you were newbie looking for clarification and now you are a crusader for truth with all the answers. A ready soldier to warn and defend against the shams.

So now, step up.

Not all, but many posters here have succumbed to a simple set of catch phrases and scripts, and though they may have started out with the best intentions, over time they gave way to the notion that scripts and catch phrases are compelling arguments. They are not, but the group think here reinforces the notion that they are. You conformed sooner than most did putting up no apparent internal struggle which I find odd.

Drake

Reminds me of one of those claims that Lee used to make about how the world imitated us before we even got here. Talk about catchphrases. There is one for every actual scriptural statement against the LRC's positions. Claim that only the spiritual discerning can see it. Say that it doesn't really mean that because of "God's economy." Drag out a story not found in the Bible to prove a point. And so on.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Drake

Lot,

Really now. Is that your canned response when you have no compelling point? "Don't be intimidated" That's it?

So soon you have fallen into the trappings of your own rhetoric. That my friend is your reality, not mine.

Drake

Drake, why don't you ever tend to all the little ones stumbled by LSM and her operatives? Ever hear about millstones tied around your necks?

Leaders at LSM were always willing to invest fortunes in legal fees to protect their pristine image, yet never once were willing to apologize to the hurt and the stumbled children of God. That, however, would have brought much glory to God.

What Jesus told the Pharisees so aptly applies, "How can you believe, when you love the glory of men more than the glory of God?"

P.S. very cute, calling him "Lot"

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Drake

Therefore, warning others is deeply embedded in the culture of this forum. In fact, it is its very mission. In practice, it is mostly self affirmation, a support group, between a dozen or so regulars.

Would you say that this is "less than the least" of all forums?

Originally Posted by Drake

Therefore, why shouldn't those in the local churches be warned about online forums like this one?

I'm sorry you lost me with that "therefore", I guess I just can't keep up. Point 1 -- less than the least of all forums, just a support group with 12 offscouring of the LRC.

therefore

2 -- Beware?

I don't get the logic in needing a warning about some insignificant support group?

Originally Posted by Drake

They would be remiss not to. The threads have new titles but it is the same old song. Grasping for something new to talk about even ol' Hank gets kicked to the curb. The intolerance is both sad and amusing but no light.

Intolerance is amusing?

Originally Posted by Drake

Yet, those in the local churches are not obsessed about warning others about online forums like this online forum is about them. I recall hearing something maybe thrice in the last few decades and I have lived in several localities. Though there is a concerted effort to poison others against the local churches it has very little effect except now and then mostly a newbie will get picked off.

Net net is this. No one in this forum has the ground to condemn the local churches for warning others about those who would poison them.. Warning others is the deeply embedded culture of this forum.

Drake

Thanks for the conclusion, that was clear. Also I agree that there should be no condemnation to anyone for teaching the verses quoted by Evangelical concerning avoiding those who cause division.

That is the irony of religion, everyone claims to be fighting on the side of God. It is a vicious battle for the moral high ground.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Drake

Therefore, warning others is deeply embedded in the culture of this forum. In fact, it is its very mission. In practice, it is mostly self affirmation, a support group, between a dozen or so regulars. Therefore, why shouldn't those in the local churches be warned about online forums like this one? They would be remiss not to. The threads have new titles but it is the same old song. Grasping for something new to talk about even ol' Hank gets kicked to the curb. The intolerance is both sad and amusing but no light.

Yet, those in the local churches are not obsessed about warning others about online forums like this online forum is about them. I recall hearing something maybe thrice in the last few decades and I have lived in several localities. Though there is a concerted effort to poison others against the local churches it has very little effect except now and then mostly a newbie will get picked off.

Net net is this. No one in this forum has the ground to condemn the local churches for warning others about those who would poison them.. Warning others is the deeply embedded culture of this forum.

Drake

During my many years in the LC's, I often heard of ones being poisoned, and then suddenly disappearing. I could never understand how that could happen. How could one be healthy in the faith, loving the Lord Jesus, actively serving the church, loving all the brothers and sisters, etc. and then get "poisoned," almost overnight? It was always a mystery to me, until it also happened to me. What the LC leaders (primarily WL) regularly called "poison" was not poison at all. It was just the Light of heaven shining in a dark place uncovering the truths of past events long covered in lies, half-truths, and slanders.

Let me use an example somewhat in the news today ...

The Case of Greta Van Susteren being "Poisoned"

For those who are not familiar, Greta was a rising Fox News Star with her own evening show at 7 pm, right before the Bill O'Reilly Factor. She loved working at FNC under the tutelage of Roger Ailes, a conservative media icon. She viewed Fox News as the only true news outlet, far superior to her "denominational" and biased cable news source competitors. Roger Ailes was her MOTA, Mediaman of the Age.

When Gretchen Carlson burst the bubble at Fox last year, publicly alleging that Roger Ailes made unwanted advances towards her, the new outlet was in an uproar. She became an instant "opposer." Gretchen was basically branded a "rebellious leper who should be quarantined," speaking in LC terms. How could she do such a thing? Nearly all the Fox on-air celebrities lined up behind their boss Roger, singing the praises of his brilliant professionalism, staunchly claiming he would never do such a thing!

Then Greta V.S. herself opened her show adamantly defending her Fox boss. Roger Ailes had never done anything to her, so she spoke with a bold conscience that Ailes was innocent of these malicious charges. How could anyone blame him of such impropriety. Behind the scenes, to their credit, the Murdoch owners decided to provide a means for all employees to come forward in anonymity. One by one the pretty Fox commentators told their stories. The momentum of testimonies grew. The gig was up. Ailes had to go. O'Reily was also mentioned.

Thus Greta got "poisoned." Overnight she learned that she had put her own reputation on the line and defended a guilty abuser. Her Fox News bubble had burst. She suddenly learned the truth. Years of lies were suddenly uncovered. It was too much for her conscience to handle. She had to leave. That night she suddenly resigned, never to work at Fox again.

Such is the experience over many years of so many dedicated members in the LC's. Their "holy" leadership one day got exposed. All the stories of past "storms" in the Recovery were not as we were always told. There was definitely more to the story swept under the huge "rug" in Anaheim. To his credit, Roger Ailes seemed to be more professional than one Philip Lee who ran LSM. But like the many decent ones in the LC's with a conscience like Greta, learning the real stories of past LSM corruption was too much to handle. They too got poisoned. Overnight they changed. They left never to return.