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[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

ZNP's opinion is consistent with his supernatural, apocalyptic worldview. If enough people take a defeated view like you and he are doing than climate catastrophe becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. There is still reason to hope that that cutting greenhouse emissions can halt or mitigate global warming.https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...limate-change/

Science has always had to compete with political interests. But, science had a greater influence on public policy prior to the rise of conservative "faith-based" politics.

Trump is against anything that doesn't serve his personal interests. He has already betrayed the working class people who voted for him in many ways yet I hear that his favorability among them is still 96%. Demagogues have that effect on their followers. On the day they died, Jim Jones' followers praised him for giving them the courage to drink the poisoned Kool-Aid.

This is not a "defeated view". Nor am I advocating "doing nothing". I have already recommended that Trump drop the $450 billion slated for a mission to Mars and instead designate that the US Government buy $450 billion in solar power. If they purchase from US manufacturers (according to a recent Presidential directive) this would generate at least $150 billion in tax revenue and it would greatly help local industry drop their price and become more competitive worldwide.

If he further designated that this entire purchase go to the Pentagon, perhaps even including it in their budget, then this might prompt similar purchases by China, Russia, NATO, Japan, etc.

The New Testament describes the next age as "the restoration of all things" and says it will take 1,000 years. I have yet to see any scientific estimate on toxic sites that suggests it will take more than 1,000 years to restore.

One reason I am suggesting the Pentagon to purchase solar power is because they are already planning for Climate change, you don't have to convince them. Also they have the budget. Third, if we descend to Mad Max type situation we need Marshall law and we need our military to not collapse.

There are several descriptions in NT prophecy concerning a total collapse of the world's economy and currency. This is not hyperbole, it is the setting on which the Antichrist enters and the basis for Armageddon.

I have also shared on this forum that the design for the New Jerusalem is the solution to the crisis of climate change, the crisis of terrorism, and the way to make peace in the Middle East.

Everything I have shared is realistic based on the facts. We are witnessing a negative feedback loop on a massive scale. Methane Hydrates are bubbling into the atmosphere in a truly fantastic scale. The loss of ice in the last two years has been jaw dropping and results in the ocean absorbing more heat from the sun. No one is about to exterminate the billions of cows that are putting methane into the air. I have looked at the political reality, the US government would rather do nothing than address these issues, no other country is any better, and many have decided they cannot afford to be environmentally friendly. If anyone thinks that the current rate of emissions will not continue unabated they are in denial.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

This is not a "defeated view". Nor am I advocating "doing nothing". I have already recommended that Trump drop the $450 billion slated for a mission to Mars and instead designate that the US Government buy $450 billion in solar power. If they purchase from US manufacturers (according to a recent Presidential directive) this would generate at least $150 billion in tax revenue and it would greatly help local industry drop their price and become more competitive worldwide.

If he further designated that this entire purchase go to the Pentagon, perhaps even including it in their budget, then this might prompt similar purchases by China, Russia, NATO, Japan, etc.

The New Testament describes the next age as "the restoration of all things" and says it will take 1,000 years. I have yet to see any scientific estimate on toxic sites that suggests it will take more than 1,000 years to restore.

One reason I am suggesting the Pentagon to purchase solar power is because they are already planning for Climate change, you don't have to convince them. Also they have the budget. Third, if we descend to Mad Max type situation we need Marshall law and we need our military to not collapse.

There are several descriptions in NT prophecy concerning a total collapse of the world's economy and currency. This is not hyperbole, it is the setting on which the Antichrist enters and the basis for Armageddon.

I have also shared on this forum that the design for the New Jerusalem is the solution to the crisis of climate change, the crisis of terrorism, and the way to make peace in the Middle East.

Everything I have shared is realistic based on the facts. We are witnessing a negative feedback loop on a massive scale. Methane Hydrates are bubbling into the atmosphere in a truly fantastic scale. The loss of ice in the last two years has been jaw dropping and results in the ocean absorbing more heat from the sun. No one is about to exterminate the billions of cows that are putting methane into the air. I have looked at the political reality, the US government would rather do nothing than address these issues, no other country is any better, and many have decided they cannot afford to be environmentally friendly. If anyone thinks that the current rate of emissions will not continue unabated they are in denial.

I'm glad to see you are not ignoring environmental events like one discussant here. To whom are you making your recommendations?

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

I'm glad to see you are not ignoring environmental events like one discussant here. To whom are you making your recommendations?

You have to first bind the strong man before you can plunder his kingdom.

Look at who is running this country, would you trust them? It is the same reason that Adam and Eve were banished from the garden, you cannot give these corrupt leaders this secret.

Step 1 -- bind them. This will take place when the stock market crashes and currency crashes.

Step 2 -- Jesus can come in and plunder this worldly system.

The NJ comes in after this point.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

You have to first bind the strong man before you can plunder his kingdom.

Look at who is running this country, would you trust them? It is the same reason that Adam and Eve were banished from the garden, you cannot give these corrupt leaders this secret.

Step 1 -- bind them. This will take place when the stock market crashes and currency crashes.

Step 2 -- Jesus can come in and plunder this worldly system.

The NJ comes in after this point.

Is that an answer to my question? At least we can see that your eschatology is imaginative.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

Is that an answer to my question? At least we can see that your eschatology is imaginative.

The NJ is an amazing design, once the world learns this it will be a game changer. The beauty of the unsustainable economy is that it reveals those who fleshly and their kingdom is unsustainable. There is no way you want them to get access to the NJ. Your question was "to whom are you making you recommendations". My "recommendations" is the gospel. The same guy who foresaw 2,000 years ago the crisis we are in now also laid out the solution. No one else can hold a candle to Him.

[ZNPaaneah]

Many people are wringing their hands over climate change.

They rightly see that world leaders are ignoring catastrophic environmental change due to human activity (pollution). They suspect that this is because the rich are rich as a result of this pillage (billionaire club knows as Trump's cabinet, Major oil executives running the government ever since Reagan, etc).

They look at the horrific sight of oil spills in the Gulf, tar sands in Canada, fracking in the Midwest, and see that these "developers" have no line of decency that they won't cross for the "almighty" buck.

They rightly see what is happening in Syria, Afghanistan, and Iraq as a result of both unchecked development of oil and climate change.

They look at the 1 trillion dollar price tag with horror when shown side by side with snapshots of Detroit and Flint.

They see climate refugees beginning to flood the developed world, tropical diseases like Zika scaring us to death, and of course the disappearance of glaciers and ice caps in the relative blink of an eye. And again, they are unable to see the silver lining in all of this.

Go back to the complaint that world leaders aren't doing anything. The good thing about climate change, the silver lining, is that it will remove the world leaders. That is what "revolution" means. The wheel revolves. Those in the mud move up to the top, those at the top move down to the mud.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Many people are wringing their hands over climate change.

They rightly see that world leaders are ignoring catastrophic environmental change due to human activity (pollution). They suspect that this is because the rich are rich as a result of this pillage (billionaire club knows as Trump's cabinet, Major oil executives running the government ever since Reagan, etc).

Most people start from the presumption that fuel emissions cause climate change, and that only liberals can save us, but as I have noted before ...

The climate changes with or without human intervention. During the 20th century alone we went thru both a cool down and a warming period. No model in existence is able to account for both past and present climate data, yet they still use their extrapolations to make "scientific" predictions. If spooking the people with Wooly Mammoths didn't work when I was young, then try something else.

Have we all now become as "qualified" as Bill Nye the "science guy?"

Even if their claims are true, US emissions are nothing compared to the rest of the world. We barely have a manufacturing base anymore, and our EPA regulations are orders of magnitude more stringent that the rest of the world, hence the US could effectively "turn off the lights" and it would have nearly no impact.

Ever consider how much more dangerous volcanic emissions are than vehicular or manufacturing emissions? The earth itself has great "cleansing" power over pollutants, yet the earth itself is far more dangerous to "Mother Nature" than man actually is.

But why not incite all the campus snowflakes for political gain? Why not twist all the data for political advantage? Clintons, Obamas, et. al. for decades got real rich and powerful with this "business model."

Did anyone ever consider that perhaps climate change is good for man? What if it is part of God's plan to wake us up and speak to us? What if the "fullness of the time" is drawing near, and this earth is right on schedule? What if the increase in natural disasters (volcanoes, tsunamis, earthquakes, etc.) completely outside of man's control are all designed to be signals to us? What if our Creator has no intention that this earth should last us another millennia? What if the Biblical prophecies are actually true and will be soon accomplished?

[zeek]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Your question was "to whom are you making you recommendations". My "recommendations" is the gospel. The same guy who foresaw 2,000 years ago the crisis we are in now also laid out the solution. No one else can hold a candle to Him.

You said "I have already recommended that Trump drop the $450 billion slated for a mission to Mars and instead designate that the US Government buy $450 billion in solar power." So you consider $450 billion for solar power to be the "gospel"?

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

The NJ is an amazing design, once the world learns this it will be a game changer. The beauty of the unsustainable economy is that it reveals those who fleshly and their kingdom is unsustainable. There is no way you want them to get access to the NJ. Your question was "to whom are you making you recommendations". My "recommendations" is the gospel. The same guy who foresaw 2,000 years ago the crisis we are in now also laid out the solution. No one else can hold a candle to Him.

Yeah JC!!! And look at that amazing NJ.

Can't be that many in the NJ. It's not the big. It's a big square like the Borg in Star Trek. It's only 1400 miles square. I wonder if the people in it will be like those connected to the Borg ; all connected, by the spirit, to central control. Resistance is futile ... haha.

But I think that what makes the NJ so amazing, is not it's stunning arresting beauty, but the fact that there will be very few there. Members may not even know there are other members.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Yeah JC!!! And look at that amazing NJ.

Can't be that many in the NJ. It's not the big. It's a big square like the Borg in Star Trek. It's only 1400 miles square. I wonder if the people in it will be like those connected to the Borg ; all connected, by the spirit, to central control. Resistance is futile ... haha.

But I think that what makes the NJ so amazing, is not it's stunning arresting beauty, but the fact that there will be very few there. Members may not even know there are other members.

Our MODA has lost it.

Should get replaced by a Blender.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

Yeah JC!!! And look at that amazing NJ.

Can't be that many in the NJ. It's not the big. It's a big square like the Borg in Star Trek. It's only 1400 miles square. I wonder if the people in it will be like those connected to the Borg ; all connected, by the spirit, to central control. Resistance is futile ... haha.

But I think that what makes the NJ so amazing, is not it's stunning arresting beauty, but the fact that there will be very few there. Members may not even know there are other members.

The population is probably around 10 billion.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

This is not a "defeated view". Nor am I advocating "doing nothing". I have already recommended that Trump drop the $450 billion slated for a mission to Mars and instead designate that the US Government buy $450 billion in solar power. If they purchase from US manufacturers (according to a recent Presidential directive) this would generate at least $150 billion in tax revenue and it would greatly help local industry drop their price and become more competitive worldwide.

Why should I as a tax payer have to finance Government solar panels?

Why can't we continue with our mix of private coal, gas, nuclear power generation.

The gov't should provide us with a national defense, and basically back out of everything else.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Why should I as a tax payer have to finance Government solar panels?

Why can't we continue with our mix of private coal, gas, nuclear power generation.

The gov't should provide us with a national defense, and basically back out of everything else.

The price of oil does not adequately reflect the true price. Our trillion dollar military presence in the Middle East is very fairly part of the cost of oil. Once that is understood it is very clear that solar is not only less expensive, it is also strategically intelligent in that it reduces the pressure for international conflict.

In addition, when you calculate the cost of oil, since it is imported the government does not receive tax dollars. But with solar that is manufactured in the US the US government gets back 40% of the cost in tax revenue, it generates excellent domestic jobs and industry and good service jobs going forward. It also is a clean energy that doesn't result in air pollution and asthma.

Health care costs for asthma and related air pollution costs like cancer should also be calculated in as a very real saving. Solar is a very good investment based on today's cost for energy, but that is still not a reasonable calculation. When you pay for solar you are paying for 25 years of energy. Ask yourself, is oil going to get more expensive over the next 25 years? If so that has to be calculated into your determination.

By every single measure solar is a very good investment for the US government. But it is especially good for our military because it results in a distributed power source. Right now the power grid is a target for terrorists, hackers and all foreign enemies. The more the military decentralizes it the smarter it is for a strategic point of view.

Finally, a very large contract like the one I envision will have a huge impact on the development of US industry and manufacturing.