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[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

All of a sudden you decided to put on some guts and grow a spine?

Did not Janet Reno swear in with a loyalty pledge to William Jefferson Clinton?

Did not Eric Holder and Loretta Lynch swear in with loyalty pledges to Barack Hussein Obama?

But it's OK it the Democrats do it cause the media is on their side and we'll never hear about it.

I do not agree with Bill Clinton meeting with Janet Reno, I think they should be investigated and prosecuted if found guilty. Therefore it is consistent to hold Trump to the same standard. Trump condemned Clinton seeing Reno privately and yet confessed to the exact same conflict of interest.

I don't disagree that Trump ran on the pledge to drain the swamp, but with all the billionaires in place and the exact same crooked practices only more blatant and more in your face, this is not what I understood "drain the swamp" to mean.

I believe the evidence is clear and convincing that Russia hacked the DNC emails with the intention of damaging Hillary Clinton's campaign. It is also clear that Flynn had unethical ties to Russia and that Sessions is also too close to Russia to be a fair judge in the matter. Also Mannafort was far too close to Russia for 10 years to be a campaign manager for a US presidential election. Carter Paige and Roger Stone are just two more examples of a disturbing connection. Of course Jared Kushner's ties have to be investigated as well. Why did Trump gut the Republican party plank on Russia's invasion of the Ukraine?

That to me is enough to justify a demand to see Trump's tax returns and have a full and complete investigation. This is not politics, it is national security.

To make things worse Trump fired the acting AG and replaced her with Sessions who has ties to Russia. His appointment to National Security Advisor was compromised due to his ties to Russia. Finally, he fired the head of the FBI who was overseeing the investigation of collusion between Trump's administration and Russia.

And how exactly did this take place? Flynn was never vetted because they trusted Obama's vetting, only problem is Obama fired Flynn and warned Trump about him. So that is a completely bogus explanation for why you don't vet your NSA?!

Sally Yates was fired ostensibly because she felt his anti immigration policy was unconstitutional. It has since been judged to be unconstitutional. If Trump is to be believed she was fired for doing her job and being truthful to him. But it is also reasonable to think the real reason to fire her was to put his man in charge of the investigation into Russia's hacking and collusion.

Likewise the stories we heard about Comey's being fired were lies. Lots, and lots of lies. He was not fired because he was not nice to Hillary Clinton as was first alleged. He was not fired because of the Assistant AG's recommendation. The second version of what took place. He was fired because he did not do a loyalty pledge to Trump. The chairman of the House intelligence committee investigation (Devin Nunez) has had to step away due to his coordination with the Trump administration.

In 2014 Reuters reported Eric Trump saying that they had access to $100million in funding from Russia. Yet yesterday Trump tells us he doesn't have any assets in Russia. This is why we need to see the tax returns.

In 2008 Eric said that they were seeing a disproportionate amount of funding coming in from Russia.

But yesterday Donald Trump tweets "I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH RUSSIA - NO DEALS, NO LOANS, NO NOTHING!"

Something does not smell right to me.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

But yesterday Donald Trump tweets "I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH RUSSIA - NO DEALS, NO LOANS, NO NOTHING!"

Something does not smell right to me.

I have a lot of respect for Senator Rand Paul, not that I agree with all of his policies, but the guy is honorable and trustworthy. Here is what he said recently:

Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) earlier this week revealed that another senator had told him that he was surveilled by the Obama administration. “I know one other senator [Rubio?, Cruz?, Graham?] who’s already confided to me that he was surveilled by the Obama administration, including his phone calls,” he told Fox News on Wednesday. “So when this all comes out, if there are political figures from the opposition party, it’s a story bigger than any of the allegations with regard to Russian collusion,” he said.

Earlier this month, Paul announced that sources have told him that he has been surveilled by the Obama administration, and that he has requested information from the White House and the congressional intelligence committees on whether he has ever been surveilled, unmasked, or searched for in intelligence reports. “It’s about your own government spying on the opposition party, that would be enormous if true,” he said. “I don’t know the truth. We’ve asked the intel committees, House and Senate, and I’ve also asked the White House, because there is this whole discussion of Susan Rice unmasking people,” he said.

Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper revealed that last year, 1,934 Americans’ names were unmasked. Last month it was reported that Susan Rice had unmasked Trump campaign officials — which she has not denied, but only claimed that it was not illegal.

“There was no reason for her to unmask people. Hers was not a position of investigation. Hers was a political position. And for her to get involved with unmasking Trump officials is alarming. If it happened to other people, it’s even more alarming,” he said. “But we’re going to try to get to the bottom of this. And it’s a very secret world. You have to realize that it’s a world so secret most members of Congress are never allowed.”

For me this is the far bigger story than some Russian collusion with the Trump administration, which explains why they apparently have found no evidence for election tampering after all these months. And until they do, I have to believe, based on the history of Obama operatives, that RussiaGate is nothing more than smokescreen. The real investigations ought to be centered on Hillary and Susan Rice.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I have a lot of respect for Senator Rand Paul, not that I agree with all of his policies, but the guy is honorable and trustworthy. Here is what he said recently:

Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) earlier this week revealed that another senator had told him that he was surveilled by the Obama administration. “I know one other senator [Rubio?, Cruz?, Graham?] who’s already confided to me that he was surveilled by the Obama administration, including his phone calls,” he told Fox News on Wednesday. “So when this all comes out, if there are political figures from the opposition party, it’s a story bigger than any of the allegations with regard to Russian collusion,” he said.

Earlier this month, Paul announced that sources have told him that he has been surveilled by the Obama administration, and that he has requested information from the White House and the congressional intelligence committees on whether he has ever been surveilled, unmasked, or searched for in intelligence reports. “It’s about your own government spying on the opposition party, that would be enormous if true,” he said. “I don’t know the truth. We’ve asked the intel committees, House and Senate, and I’ve also asked the White House, because there is this whole discussion of Susan Rice unmasking people,” he said.

Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper revealed that last year, 1,934 Americans’ names were unmasked. Last month it was reported that Susan Rice had unmasked Trump campaign officials — which she has not denied, but only claimed that it was not illegal.

“There was no reason for her to unmask people. Hers was not a position of investigation. Hers was a political position. And for her to get involved with unmasking Trump officials is alarming. If it happened to other people, it’s even more alarming,” he said. “But we’re going to try to get to the bottom of this. And it’s a very secret world. You have to realize that it’s a world so secret most members of Congress are never allowed.”

For me this is the far bigger story than some Russian collusion with the Trump administration, which explains why they apparently have found no evidence for election tampering after all these months. And until they do, I have to believe, based on the history of Obama operatives, that RussiaGate is nothing more than smokescreen. The real investigations ought to be centered on Hillary and Susan Rice.

I agree that this would be a very big story, but since the Republicans control the Senate, House and Whitehouse you would think it would be easy to investigate this and get to the bottom of it. Therefore, are they doing that? If so, why make allegations until you have the facts? That comes across as throwing mud to create a distraction.

Yes, everyone agrees that the allegation, if true, is very serious. The problem is the people making this allegation are in power. Why are they acting impotent like they cannot get the truth?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I agree that this would be a very big story, but since the Republicans control the Senate, House and Whitehouse you would think it would be easy to investigate this and get to the bottom of it. Therefore, are they doing that? If so, why make allegations until you have the facts? That comes across as throwing mud to create a distraction.

Yes, everyone agrees that the allegation, if true, is very serious. The problem is the people making this allegation are in power. Why are they acting impotent like they cannot get the truth?

Whoa, whoa, whoa! Thy bias runneth over!

Where are all the facts the democrats have? They been throwing mud since Nov 8. The Repubs have evidence, otherwise Flynn would never have resigned.

The Repubs have no power until the swamp is drained. Even then, with the Democrats controlling the media, who is really in power?

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Whoa, whoa, whoa! Thy bias runneth over!

Where are all the facts the democrats have? They been throwing mud since Nov 8. The Repubs have evidence, otherwise Flynn would never have resigned.

The Repubs have no power until the swamp is drained. Even then, with the Democrats controlling the media, who is really in power?

If you can't prove something then it is counterproductive to make the allegation. This is why prosecutors don't bring a charge unless they have enough evidence to see it in court, and this is why a judge will throw out a trial if you don't present evidence.

If they have the evidence, then proceed with the prosecution. If they don't have the evidence proceed with your investigation, but do it quietly.

The biggest problem I have with Trump's administration is the proliferation of unsubstantiated accusations. He is the President, he has the most powerful surveillance and investigative tools at his disposal. Making unsubstantiated allegations and empty threats just makes him look impotent, which in turn insults our country.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

If you can't prove something then it is counterproductive to make the allegation. This is why prosecutors don't bring a charge unless they have enough evidence to see it in court, and this is why a judge will throw out a trial if you don't present evidence.

If they have the evidence, then proceed with the prosecution. If they don't have the evidence proceed with your investigation, but do it quietly.

The biggest problem I have with Trump's administration is the proliferation of unsubstantiated accusations. He is the President, he has the most powerful surveillance and investigative tools at his disposal. Making unsubstantiated allegations and empty threats just makes him look impotent, which in turn insults our country.

I don't agree. Try listening to other news sources, like Tucker Carlson or Sean Hannity.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I don't agree. Try listening to other news sources, like Tucker Carlson or Sean Hannity.

How about Ann Coulter? She seems to think he has been a disaster and she wrote "In Trump we trust". Not exactly a Trump hater.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I don't agree. Try listening to Sean Hannity.

Oh yeah, and you can join him in giving Trump tongue baths.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I agree that this would be a very big story, but since the Republicans control the Senate, House and Whitehouse you would think it would be easy to investigate this and get to the bottom of it. Therefore, are they doing that? If so, why make allegations until you have the facts? That comes across as throwing mud to create a distraction.

Yes, everyone agrees that the allegation, if true, is very serious. The problem is the people making this allegation are in power. Why are they acting impotent like they cannot get the truth?

Rand Paul, as much I don't like the crazy senator (like his father - who I liked but thought went off the rails with crazy at times - I like Rand the same way) but he's right to oppose all the mass surveillance by NSA.

I said it long ago, to folks around here (in Rand Paul land) but they told me, "if you've got nothing to hide then there's no problem." But there is a problem. I said, "but eventually they will be surveilling everyone, including judges, lawyers, politicians, congressmen, senators, and everyone else in government.

Let's face it, the legislators okayed it, and now it's coming back to bite THEM in the rear.

The sun sets on the Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act at the end of this year. Rand Paul is pushing to allow it to expire. So I doubt all these claims by Paul about Obama wiretapping everyone is true. He's just trying to make a point that all this surveillance is bad. And he's right.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Rand Paul, as much I don't like the crazy senator (like his father - who I liked but thought went off the rails with crazy at times - I like Rand the same way) but he's right to oppose all the mass surveillance by NSA.

I said it long ago, to folks around here (in Rand Paul land) but they told me, "if you've got nothing to hide then there's no problem." But there is a problem. I said, "but eventually they will be surveilling everyone, including judges, lawyers, politicians, congressmen, senators, and everyone else in government.

Let's face it, the legislators okayed it, and now it's coming back to bite THEM in the rear.

The sun sets on the Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act at the end of this year. Rand Paul is pushing to allow it to expire. So I doubt all these claims by Paul about Obama wiretapping everyone is true. He's just trying to make a point that all this surveillance is bad. And he's right.

Why do you doubt? Remember James Rosen' surveillance by Obama admin?

Remember Sharyl Attkisson? She literally watched her computer being turned on in the middle of the night, with the cursor moving around copying and deleting files, uploading and downloading files?

Now you know that computers just don't do that on their own!!! And then the official explanation she received from the Inspector General was that her "backspace key was stuck." Uh-huh, sure!

But hey, Rand Paul is conservative! He's a medical doctor. He's from Kentucky! So you really can't trust him. I understand that bro.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

But hey, Rand Paul is conservative! He's a medical doctor. He's from Kentucky! So you really can't trust him. I understand that bro.

Do I really have to like Rand Paul, and the O'l Mitch to meet your approval.

Just tell me. Do you approve or disapprove of all the NSA snooping on everyone?

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

Do I really have to like Rand Paul, and the O'l Mitch to meet your approval.

Just tell me. Do you approve or disapprove of all the NSA snooping on everyone?

I think it is foolish to disapprove. Pandora's box has already been opened, China, Russia, Europe, even N. Korea are all snooping on everyone.

I approve of those who can walk in the light.

That said I realize the potential for a corrupt leader to photoshop and otherwise digitally enhance in order to frame innocent people. This is why I approve of Armageddon and the Lord Jesus 2nd coming.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Do I really have to like Rand Paul, and the O'l Mitch to meet your approval.

Just tell me. Do you approve or disapprove of all the NSA snooping on everyone?

I don't approve of Big Brother. Rand Paul is on my side here.

Have you read about the WannaCry RansomWare? That's just a fraction of NSA's power. Apparently their "bag of tools" is so expansive, they "lose" a few "tools" now and then.

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Pandora's box has already been opened, China, Russia, Europe, even N. Korea are all snooping on everyone.

I approve of those who can walk in the light.

That said I realize the potential for a corrupt leader to photoshop and otherwise digitally enhance in order to frame innocent people. This is why I approve of Armageddon and the Lord Jesus 2nd coming.