Women's Role

countmeworthy · 07-21-2017, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Evangelical

Some took issue with my statement that "God realized" man needed a woman.

This idea of "God realizing" is found in popular Christian literature.

In the book "Party of Two: Lessons for Staying in Step in Dating, Marriage, and Family Life By Beverly LaHaye, Tim LaHaye, page 75" it says:
"Soon after this great creative miracle, God realized "it was not good for man to be alone"

I really gave this some thought and wonder if what God was saying was more like He realized ADAM was lonely and that Adam felt he was missing a counterpart. After all, the animals were both male and female to my knowledge. I seriously doubt they were all male! He saw the companionship of the male elephant with the female elephant, the male giraffe with the female giraffe.. and thus could it be he realized he did not have a counterpart like they did? So the realization from God was that Adam recognized and realized he did not have a mate. Just saying...

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The Creation account of Genesis does not sound like a God who had it all figured out beforehand.

In my recent studies on God the Father, I discovered and 'realized' God the Father comes up with the ideas. I explain this and more in my blog.

So you could possibly be correct here Mr E.

Shocking

to the readers eh? LOL

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There are related questions around sin and the fall of man, whether this was planned all along for mankind to sin, or whether God expected mankind to resist Satan's temptation in the Garden.

I have also done on in depth study on this subject matter. Maybe at some point I will write a blog on my findings. Not going to do so unless I am led by the Spirit though.

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Another Creation fact that points to God's "afterthought" concerning woman is that woman was not created from dust originally as a new species like Adam and the animals but was created as a version of man, being taken out of Adam's side.

Now this I disagree with. God, I truly believe knew exactly when the woman was going to be taken out of the man and why He did it that way. I don't think He has revealed it to us but He knew He was going to take the woman out of the side of the man.

PEACE OUT EVERYONE! Sooner or later, He is going to gather all His saints together unto Himself. This

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Evangelical · 07-21-2017, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by countmeworthy

Now this I disagree with. God, I truly believe knew exactly when the woman was going to be taken out of the man and why He did it that way. I don't think He has revealed it to us but He knew He was going to take the woman out of the side of the man.

PEACE OUT EVERYONE! Sooner or later, He is going to gather all His saints together unto Himself. This

and this

is going to turn into

and

I agree. I don't know why the sentence I wrote came out like that, but I meant "afterthought" in quotations indicating it was not an afterthought but in God's plan.

Evangelical · 07-21-2017, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by countmeworthy

In my recent studies on God the Father, I discovered and 'realized' God the Father comes up with the ideas. I explain this and more in my blog.

He is the reason for our existence and purpose for everything. "God is the source".

Evangelical · 07-22-2017, 03:59 AM

“To the degree that a woman’s influence over a man, guidance of a man, leadership of a man, is personal and a directive, it will generally offend a man’s good, God-given sense of responsibility and leadership, and thus controvert God’s created order. To an extent, a woman’s leadership or influence may be personal and non-directive or directive and non-personal, but I don’t think we should push the limits. I don’t think those would necessarily push the limits of what is appropriate. That is my general paradigm of guidance.” ~ John Piper

https://www.gotquestions.org/women-elders.html

The passages that describe the qualifications and duties of elders/overseers do not open the door for women to serve as elders. In fact, the consistent use of male pronouns and terminology argue strongly for the office of elder/overseer being restricted to men only. As with other issues in this debate, the question of women serving as elders is not a matter of chauvinism. In no sense is this a matter of men being superior to women. Rather, God restricts the office of elder to men only because that is how He has structured the church to function. Godly men are to serve as leadership, with women serving in the crucially important supporting roles.

https://www.gotquestions.org/complem...tarianism.html

What is truly the crux of this argument, and what many egalitarians fail to understand, is that a difference in role does not equate to a difference in quality, importance, or value. Men and women are equally valued in God's sight and plan. Women are not inferior to men. Rather, God assigns different roles to men and women in the church and the home because that is how He designed us to function. The truth of differentiation and equality can be seen in the functional hierarchy within the Trinity (cf. 1 Corinthians 11:3). The Son submits to the Father, and the Holy Spirit submits to the Father and the Son. This functional submission does not imply an equivalent inferiority of essence; all three Persons are equally God, but they differ in their function. Likewise, men and women are equally human beings and equally share the image of God, but they have God-ordained roles and functions that mirror the functional hierarchy within the Trinity.

07-22-2017, 03:59 AM	#4
Evangelical Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 3,965	Re: Women's Role “To the degree that a woman’s influence over a man, guidance of a man, leadership of a man, is personal and a directive, it will generally offend a man’s good, God-given sense of responsibility and leadership, and thus controvert God’s created order. To an extent, a woman’s leadership or influence may be personal and non-directive or directive and non-personal, but I don’t think we should push the limits. I don’t think those would necessarily push the limits of what is appropriate. That is my general paradigm of guidance.” ~ John Piper https://www.gotquestions.org/women-elders.html The passages that describe the qualifications and duties of elders/overseers do not open the door for women to serve as elders. In fact, the consistent use of male pronouns and terminology argue strongly for the office of elder/overseer being restricted to men only. As with other issues in this debate, the question of women serving as elders is not a matter of chauvinism. In no sense is this a matter of men being superior to women. Rather, God restricts the office of elder to men only because that is how He has structured the church to function. Godly men are to serve as leadership, with women serving in the crucially important supporting roles. https://www.gotquestions.org/complem...tarianism.html What is truly the crux of this argument, and what many egalitarians fail to understand, is that a difference in role does not equate to a difference in quality, importance, or value. Men and women are equally valued in God's sight and plan. Women are not inferior to men. Rather, God assigns different roles to men and women in the church and the home because that is how He designed us to function. The truth of differentiation and equality can be seen in the functional hierarchy within the Trinity (cf. 1 Corinthians 11:3). The Son submits to the Father, and the Holy Spirit submits to the Father and the Son. This functional submission does not imply an equivalent inferiority of essence; all three Persons are equally God, but they differ in their function. Likewise, men and women are equally human beings and equally share the image of God, but they have God-ordained roles and functions that mirror the functional hierarchy within the Trinity.