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It reminds me of the Southern Baptists, using the Bible in support of slavery.
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1. All of these abuse claims, not just Moore but also Weinstein, Franken, etc generally boil down to "he said, she said". Therefore you shouldn't discount it or dismiss it simply because this is the type of evidence. On the contrary, the predators understand this which is why they have the boldness to pull this stuff. Instead the Biblical standard that I think applies here is 2 or 3 witnesses as a bare minimum. Whenever we see a sexual predator like Weinstein there will be multiple cases, not a single case. 2. Political campaigns are about destroying credibility, especially if you are in a campaign where no one in your party has won in many years. The only possible chance the democrat had was if Moore self destructed. You should expect that they will turn molehills into mountains. When these stories come out right after the deadline to change names on the ballot they should be especially suspect. If we begin to eliminate candidates based on hearsay and allegations then these campaigns will become even uglier. 3. There are facts in this case that can be used to inform voters. One fact is that Moore has never been charged with this crime of pedophilia, much less convicted. Another fact is that the Mall was on the lookout for him seeing him as someone that targeted teenage girls. Based on that you can reasonably conclude that he was a creep, but that it didn't rise to the level of a case that a prosecutor would prosecute. However, the discourse on this is quite different, many willing to call him a "pedophile" even though he was never convicted of this crime. 4. It is important to weigh the evidence and discuss the evidence in order to make an informed decision, but most of those who have shaped the discourse clearly are biased on one side or the other. This is quite evident concerning the media's reporting. 5. One of the ugliest allegations is that a "vote for Roy Moore is a vote for sexual predators". The inference is that democrats are concerned about women while republicans aren't. If the allegations that Roy Moore was a sexual predator are true it would mean that women, many women, have known this for 30+ years. However, they did not come forward until well into this campaign, so far in fact that it was no longer possible to drop his name. This is not evidence that they care about women, but rather they would risk a predator being elected if it gives them a better chance of gaining a seat. Someone who truly cared about women would have raised this issue earlier.
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I read that support for Roy Moore has fallen in every voter sector except among evangelical Christians. What does that say to the world?
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Perhaps those who regularly confront the stratagems of the devil are more apt to see thru a Bezos/WaPo smear campaign.
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Experience has taught me that, when pursuing the truth, demonizing others isn't helpful.
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I'd prolly still be an evangelical if their discernment's were actually up to snuff. I long ago discovered their discernment wasn't any better than those of unbelievers.
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If you are so concerned with finding the truth and not demonizing others then surely you can realize that the Supreme court has no authority to make laws. There was nothing in the Constitution concerning abortion, therefore it should have been a states right to decide. The decision in Roe V Wade was unconstitutional. That is the underlying cause of all this ugly division.
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But it doesn't say anything about fondling 14 year old girls ... even with the permission of their mother. Why? Because, everyone knows it's wrong, except, apparently, evangelicals ... then it's Mary, and Elizabeth, did it.
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If the choice was between an innocent and guilty man then you would have an argument. Problem is the choice is between two guilty parties. That is the problem with your argument, you point out the guilt of one side and ignore the guilt of the other.
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Think of the irony that the restrictions on abortion are tighter and more stringent now than prior to the ruling. If the Supreme court had simply argued that this is a state's rights issue what would have happened? Some states would have outlawed it, perhaps Texas would be in that category, hard to tell. Some states would have put in restrictions and regulations, probably NY and California would be in that category. Some states would have legalized it completely, perhaps Nevada, etc. But you would have taken the rug out from any who would protest. Against abortion, move to where it is illegal. For abortion, what is the big issue, if you don't want to move simply go out of state when necessary. Not only would this have put a stop to most protests, it would have also eliminated it from the discourse in national politics. Congressmen, Senators and presidents would not need to say anything more than "that is a state's right issue". As for local politicians it could easily have become a referendum issue, just like legalizing Pot or some other topic. So instead of blaming Evangelicals why not look in the mirror? The man in the mirror is the only one you have authority to change. Blaming Evangelicals suggest to me you aren't really serious about a solution.
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Oh those evil white men who believe in God!
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