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[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

How nice. Most of America does not enjoy such benefits.

I guess you can just go ahead calling him a creep then.

This is why we have unions, so that the threat of frivolous lawsuit or abusive principals doesn't destroy many innocent careers. I pay a monthly fee for this, just like paying for insurance.

Recently we began to be rated by our students results on exams. I love this because the politics of bad principals can no longer threaten you.

If his claim that this is completely false is true then he has a very good case for a lawsuit. If he pursues it he can clear his name, just as the Duke Lacrosse team. If he doesn't then yes, I'll continue calling him a creep.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

This is why we have unions, so that the threat of frivolous lawsuit or abusive principals doesn't destroy many innocent careers. I pay a monthly fee for this, just like paying for insurance.

Recently we began to be rated by our students results on exams. I love this because the politics of bad principals can no longer threaten you.

If his claim that this is completely false is true then he has a very good case for a lawsuit. If he pursues it he can clear his name, just as the Duke Lacrosse team. If he doesn't then yes, I'll continue calling him a creep.

[Engineers don't have unions. Neither do lawyers.]

But Moore is a Christian, so what if he is convicted by I Cor 6 not to sue these women? And if he won, would he really clear his name?

Damned if he does, damned if he don't. Always a creep eh?

OK, perhaps I'm finished with this topic.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

[Engineers don't have unions. Neither do lawyers.]

But Moore is a Christian, so what if he is convicted by I Cor 6 not to sue these women? And if he won, would he really clear his name?

Damned if he does, damned if he don't. Always a creep eh?

OK, perhaps I'm finished with this topic.

If he proved that the signature on the yearbook was forged (something that could be done definitively) it would prove beyond any reasonable doubt that this was a political attack based on lies. Those that do this would be exposed and it would go a long way to helping others that might be attacked in the future. The lawsuit could be funded and carried out by the Republican party so that he wouldn't have to pay or spend that much time with it. However, no one would believe that this was conceived of and carried out by the alleged victim. You convict the democratic campaign and they will pay millions to the Republican party and be forever disgraced in Alabama.

There is no reason not to go through with that unless he knows it isn't a fraud.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

If he proved that the signature on the yearbook was forged (something that could be done definitively) it would prove beyond any reasonable doubt that this was a political attack based on lies. Those that do this would be exposed and it would go a long way to helping others that might be attacked in the future. The lawsuit could be funded and carried out by the Republican party so that he wouldn't have to pay or spend that much time with it. However, no one would believe that this was conceived of and carried out by the alleged victim. You convict the democratic campaign and they will pay millions to the Republican party and be forever disgraced in Alabama.

There is no reason not to go through with that unless he knows it isn't a fraud.

Atty Allred won't release that yearbook for analysis. You know that.

Moore is running as a Republican, but the Party won't back him, in fact numerous Republican Senators want him to step down and thus give Alabama to the Democratic Party. Unbelievable!

The Never-Trumpers are now the Never-Moore's.

Pretty incredible! Look at what McConnell did -- immediately (within one hour) he asked for Moore to withdraw, but with Franken he only wants an Ethics Committee investigation, where matters like this reside until the heat passes over. McConnell is now Majority Leader of the Grand Old Swamp Party.

[awareness]

O'Keefe strikes again ... a swing and a miss. Right wing attempt to discredit WaPo.

WaPo Busts James O’Keefe’s Failed Attempt to Fool Them With Fake Roy Moore Accuser
https://www.mediaite.com/online/wash...moore-accuser/

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Atty Allred won't release that yearbook for analysis. You know that.

If there is a trial there would be no choice -- without producing it he would be found guilty of forgery, fraud, libel and slander.

Likewise the allegation about him being on a watch by Mall cops could easily be proven or disproved.

In both of these cases if he alleged slander and libel the burden would be on them to prove their claims. If they didn't bring forth evidence backing the claim they would lose.

He can claim everything is false because he knows their will be no trial. The only way there will be a trial is if he brings one for slander, but if he does that then they can counter sue.

So, when I look at the evidence what do I see:

1. Multiple accusations that individually are not (for the most part) criminal, but they are creepy.

2. Corroboration from coworkers of his, again not of criminality but of creepiness.

3. Corroboration from Mall cops.

4. Corroboration from a phone call to the school.

5. Corroboration from Roy Moore who says he never dated a girl without the mother's permission.

and finally,

6. Corroboration from the yearbook.

If the yearbook were proven false I would also dismiss the phone call without hard and solid evidence. If the Mall cops claim were proven false then I would agree with you that this was a political attack of the lowest and most despicable level. On the other hand if he does not work to clear his name on those two counts I will accept their claims and dismiss his denial as the lies of a liar who knows he won't have to prove it.

There is of course another possibility. He may have intentionally chosen to date 17 and 18 year olds, which in Alabama was probably legal. He may have also mistakenly had that adventure with the 14 year old since she was a waitress and he didn't realize she wasn't 17. That is the risk you take when you date 17 year olds. If this is the case I don't think it is fair to label him a pedophile, but creep does seem very appropriate.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Atty Allred won't release that yearbook for analysis. You know that.

Moore is running as a Republican, but the Party won't back him, in fact numerous Republican Senators want him to step down and thus give Alabama to the Democratic Party. Unbelievable!

The Never-Trumpers are now the Never-Moore's.

Pretty incredible! Look at what McConnell did -- immediately (within one hour) he asked for Moore to withdraw, but with Franken he only wants an Ethics Committee investigation, where matters like this reside until the heat passes over. McConnell is now Majority Leader of the Grand Old Swamp Party.

They all should get the boot, regardless of party.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by awareness

They all should get the boot, regardless of party.

As should have Bill Clinton even prior to being elected president on the basis of evidence against him in the Paula Jones and Juanita Broaddrick and Kathleen Willey cases. I was not a fan of the man. I didn't vote in the presidential election of 1991 cuz I didn't like either major party candidate nor Ross Perot. In the next presidential election I voted for Ralph Nader.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

They all should get the boot, regardless of party.

They need to reveal which in Congress have used this secret "Shush" Fund.

Term limits would help too.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

They need to reveal which in Congress have used this secret "Shush" Fund.

Term limits would help too.

Wouldn't that be something available under the freedom of information act?