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[Ohio]

President Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

Now you may begin to understand why Bible-believing evangelicals support Trump.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

President Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

Now you may begin to understand why Bible-believing evangelicals support Trump.

This is so wrong. But those following their Bible mythologies, both Jews and Christians, don't think so.

They think it's the fulfillment of Bible prophecies. While it's nothing but self fulfilling prophecies.

But Trump needs badly to be great, and that's more important than provoking wars, and increasing the potential for terrorism here at home.

Make Trump great again ... at any cost.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

This is so wrong. But those following their Bible mythologies, both Jews and Christians, don't think so.

They think it's the fulfillment of Bible prophecies. While it's nothing but self fulfilling prophecies.

But Trump needs badly to be great, and that's more important than provoking wars, and increasing the potential for terrorism here at home.

Make Trump great again ... at any cost.

If Trump was so obsessed woth being great, as you suppose, then Trump would NEVER have recognised Jerusalem.

But since you see the Bible as mythology, it is impossible for you to understand.

How in the world can ancient prophecies be self-fulfilling? Either they are fulfilled by the inspiration and sovereignty of God, or they could never be fulfilled.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

This is so wrong. But those following their Bible mythologies, both Jews and Christians, don't think so.

They think it's the fulfillment of Bible prophecies. While it's nothing but self fulfilling prophecies.

But Trump needs badly to be great, and that's more important than provoking wars, and increasing the potential for terrorism here at home.

Make Trump great again ... at any cost.

Why is it wrong to recognize the capital of Israel as the capital of Israel?

What an ugly post full of assumptions. You assume that Trump recognized Jerusalem as the capital because he is following "Bible mythologies" though there is nothing at all in his campaign or behavior that would suggest he is such a person.

You suggest that this action is irresponsible and worse, is intended to provoke a war and increase terrorism at home for some political advantage to Trump.

Can anyone's mind be any more poisonous than this post?

For 50 years Israel has been a nation. How has the peace process gone so far? How has American policy prior to Trump worked at reducing terrorism?

As far as I can tell the only thing that has reduced terrorism, at least in Israel, is their wall.

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/terrorism/terror-rate.html

The construction of Israel’s security fence put an immediate and dramatic end to the Palestinian campaign of suicide bombing.*By 2009, only 15 Israelis were killed by Palestinian terrorism, compared with 452 murdered in 2002, the year before construction began.* (https://www.azcentral.com/story/opin...rst/678600001/)

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Why is it wrong to recognize the capital of Israel as the capital of Israel?

What an ugly post full of assumptions. You assume that Trump recognized Jerusalem as the capital because he is following "Bible mythologies" though there is nothing at all in his campaign or behavior that would suggest he is such a person.

You suggest that this action is irresponsible and worse, is intended to provoke a war and increase terrorism at home for some political advantage to Trump.

Can anyone's mind be any more poisonous than this post?

For 50 years Israel has been a nation. How has the peace process gone so far? How has American policy prior to Trump worked at reducing terrorism?

Progressives pride themselves as the defenders of the weak and powerless in the face of crushing oppression. Yet, with a hundred times more Muslams who hate the very existence of Israel, why is it they never come to her defense?

Is there any other nation on earth that cannot have embassies in her capital?

Today Israel recognizes Trump as their most trusted ally, yet our media has convinced half of our country that Trump is a Nazi like unto Hitler who hates Jews. Once again, they are firmly convinced of what there is no evidemce for.

Like I have said before, Obama's true colors were really not on full display until he orchestrated that anti-Israel U.N. Resolution right before Christmas 2016.

I believe Trump's action is a repudiation of that UN resolution, and will directly enable Israel to rebuild their temple.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Like I have said before, Obama's true colors were really not on full display until he orchestrated that anti-Israel U.N. Resolution right before Christmas 2016.

I believe Trump's action is a repudiation of that UN resolution, and will directly enable Israel to rebuild their temple.

I know you and Trump don't like anything Obama, but Obama did the right thing with the UN veto. Israel shouldn't be allowed to keep encroaching on Palestinian lands with their settlements.

That said, I know full well what the temple means to Christians. I grew up with it, and was soused with it in the local church.

The temple has to be functioning for Jesus to come back, for the son of perdition to sit in it and pronounce himself to be God (sounds like something Trump would do).

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

This has been a deep longing ever since right after Jesus left this earth, and since Paul, who thought that the end times was near, within their lifetime.

And 2000 years later Christians are still longing for the return of Jesus. Some are willing to do something about it, to do anything to make it happen.

We even have a couple of members on this forum that actually tried to blow up the temple mount so Israel can rebuild the temple.

But methinks such antics are nothing short of Cargo Cult thinking and methods ; or attempts to arrange everything just right so God will send the cargo.

I say, after 2000 years, maybe we should be real people of God and busy ourselves with trying to make the world a better safer place for everyone to live in, and not be trying to arrange things that's just going to make the world worse off.

It's not Christian to want our Jesus so bad that we don't care about our neighbors, and just want them -- Jesus killers and all the rest that don't believe in Jesus' salvation, most of the world populous -- to fry like crispy critters. It's not Jesus like to be selfish like that.

[Ohio]

Obama did the right thing with the UN veto. Israel shouldn't be allowed to keep encroaching on Palestinian lands with their settlements.

Of course, you agree with Obama. You have supported everything he has done, and everything that is good for Muslams. You have absolutely nothing good to say about Israel or Christians.

One day you will meet your maker and try to lecture Him on His own personality cargo cult, and His horrific fan clubs. Best of luck with that plan of action.

It was God who gave this land to Israel. It is not Palestinian land. These settlements are built on desert land which the Palestinians never lived on, nor built on, nor ever did anything with.

[awareness]

Latest from Pew Research Center :

Trump’s job rating has declined among several groups that gave him relatively high ratings in February, including older adults (38% of those 50 and older approve today, compared with 47% who did so in February) and whites (41% now, 49% then), as well as white evangelical Protestants (61% now, 78% then)."
http://www.people-press.org/2017/12/...to-the-nation/

[awareness]

Okay. Just for fun, just because you are so extremely partisan, back at ya :

Republican Arizona Congressman Resigns Amid Investigation Into Workplace Misconduct

"Republican Rep. Trent Franks announced his resignation Thursday after the House Ethics Committee launched an investigation into the Arizona congressman and whether he “engaged in conduct that constitutes sexual harassment and/or retaliation for opposing sexual harassment.”"
~ Sourced at Wall Street Journal. But Rupert Murdoch charges. So, again, keeping with your feverish partisanship, Slate is even better.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...versation.html

And here's the clapping hands (at both posts). Franken should have stayed a comedian.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Why is it wrong to recognize the capital of Israel as the capital of Israel?

Because Trump just endorsed apartheid against the Palestinians. Jerusalem is supposed to be their capital too. But now it's given to Israel.
See these maps that reveal what Israel is doing to the Palestinians :
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/178807047674923880

Originally Posted by ZNP

What an ugly post full of assumptions. You assume that Trump recognized Jerusalem as the capital because he is following "Bible mythologies" though there is nothing at all in his campaign or behavior that would suggest he is such a person.

Trump wouldn't know what Bible mythology is if it bit him on the nose. He's just pandering to the Evangelicals that put him in office.

Originally Posted by ZNP

You suggest that this action is irresponsible and worse, is intended to provoke a war and increase terrorism at home for some political advantage to Trump.

Wrong. Not for political reasons. For ego reasons. And that's very plain and easy to see. Trump displays it daily with impunity.

Originally Posted by ZNP

Can anyone's mind be any more poisonous than this post?

Glad you caught it brother.

Originally Posted by ZNP

For 50 years Israel has been a nation. How has the peace process gone so far? How has American policy prior to Trump worked at reducing terrorism?

Going on 70 years bro ZNP. Not 50. And has Trump ended terrorism? Watch what happens now.

Originally Posted by ZNP

As far as I can tell the only thing that has reduced terrorism, at least in Israel, is their wall.

A wall that took more land from the Palestinians.

What Israel is doing to the Palestinians is against their Torah laws. Howbeit, not against this part of their Torah mythology:

Deu 20:16 But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

A wall that took more land from the Palestinians.

Palestinians don't own this land. It belongs to Israel. Been theirs for almost 4,000 years.

Muslams stole it, built their dome on top, and claimed that Muhammed ascended there.

Palestinian ownership is part of your ancient mythology.

Do you really believe Muhammed ascended there?

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Palestinians don't own this land. It belongs to Israel. Been theirs for almost 4,000 years.

Muslams stole it, built their dome on top, and claimed that Muhammed ascended there.

Palestinian ownership is part of your ancient mythology.

Do you really believe Muhammed ascended there?

Oh shoot, that Iroquois Indian that wanted his land back, maybe he had a point. Well on a brighter note at least we paid for Manhattan.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Oh shoot, that Iroquois Indian that wanted his land back, maybe he had a point. Well on a brighter note at least we paid for Manhattan.

But not Queens?

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

Because Trump just endorsed apartheid against the Palestinians. Jerusalem is supposed to be their capital too. But now it's given to Israel.
See these maps that reveal what Israel is doing to the Palestinians :
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/178807047674923880

Jerusalem is a very confusing situation, but we have seen with Berlin that two countries with separate governments can share the same city. There is nothing in recognizing this city as the capital of Israel that forbids the US from recognizing it as the capital of the Palestinians.

Originally Posted by awareness

Trump wouldn't know what Bible mythology is if it bit him on the nose. He's just pandering to the Evangelicals that put him in office.

Thanks for admitting you were wrong on that point, it takes a big person with a small ego to do that. OK, you may be right, I can't discern the motive. However, what I have noticed with Trump is that he seems intent on following through with all of his promises, even if he does so in a shallow and ineffective way like his proclamations and declarations.

Originally Posted by awareness

Wrong. Not for political reasons. For ego reasons. And that's very plain and easy to see. Trump displays it daily with impunity.

So then, just to be clear, you are saying his action is irresponsible and worse, is intended to provoke war and terrorism to satisfy Trump's ego. If this is the case my point that this is an exceedingly ugly accusation is not wrong, rather ascribing the motive to political reasons is wrong. Wow, your accusation is actually uglier, you are essentially saying his narcissism is so extreme he would start a world war that is a claim that he is mentally unfit for office.

Originally Posted by awareness

Glad you caught it brother.


Going on 70 years bro ZNP. Not 50. And has Trump ended terrorism? Watch what happens now.

Yes well for the first 20 years I was either not born yet or else was still too young to be paying attention. I don't pretend to be watching carefully what was happening in the Middle East prior to high school.

Originally Posted by awareness

A wall that took more land from the Palestinians.

What Israel is doing to the Palestinians is against their Torah laws. Howbeit, not against this part of their Torah mythology:

Deu 20:16 But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:

I don't disagree that the actions of the state of Israel have not been above reproach. However, I have yet to see any sin of Israel that wasn't also committed by the Palestinians -- murder, terrorism, apartheid, ruthlessness, arrogance, pride, etc.

Personally I consider it hypocritical of the Arabs to accuse Israel of Apartheid. The laws of these countries make anyone who is not Muslim a second class citizen. Also there is solid evidence that the idea for the "Final Solution" was not from Hitler but from his Arab allies. Prior to WWII David Ben Gurion had already been pushing the idea of a Jewish state, the Arabs thought supporting Germany could kill two birds with one stone. They are reaping what they have sown.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Personally I consider it hypocritical of the Arabs to accuse Israel of Apartheid. The laws of these countries make anyone who is not Muslim a second class citizen. Also there is solid evidence that the idea for the "Final Solution" was not from Hitler but from his Arab allies.

I find it morally reprehensible for anyone to condone any Muslim nation, including the Palestinians, and then attack American officials for unproven allegations. Have you forgotten that all Muslum women are less than 2nd class citizens? 3 male witnesses to prove a rape?

With moral standards such as these, Harvey Weinstein simply needs to don a white robe and wear a diaper on his head.