Whistleblower

[Nell]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Hypocrites!

They went to Whistler ski resort in BC, Canada to Quarantine Titus Chu and the Midwest.

They quarantined Dong Yu Lan from their LaPalma offices.

They play this "locality game" whenever it's convenient for them.

They later said that Philip Lee could not be disciplined by the Anaheim elders because he worked at LSM, and was not able to meet with the church there.

"Woe to you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside you are full of greed and self-indulgence." -- Mt 23.25

As you will see below, Philip Lee was excommunicated twice. The Anaheim Elders didn't "preside" over the meeting when Philip was excommunicated the first time. The church members did the deed without the elders.

Those in the Church in Anaheim who could no longer tolerate sexual sin in the camp are to be commended. There is another post on this forum regarding sexual abuse in the Local Church wherein the poster continues to say "Somebody needs to do something (about it)." Well, in 1988 somebody did something...the church.

The Storm Breaks
October 9, 16, 1988
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The next Lord’s Day morning, October 16th, the same group of saints who spoke on October 9th came again obviously to prolong their denunciations. Godfred stood at the beginning and spoke, begging them to desist and allow us to continue our study of Ephesians. They interrupted him frequently, and he patiently answered their questions. Then we proceeded to read some verses in Ephesians and in a tense atmosphere some bravely attempted to share from the Word. Eventually the saints who were intent on speaking more problematic things begin to take over the meeting with much turmoil, upon which Godfred stood and summarily dismissed the meeting. About sixty percent of those attending, including the elders, left the meeting, leaving about thirty or forty, who remained and had their own meeting.

In our absence they stood and read 1 Corinthians 5 together, and took upon themselves to excommunicate a certain brother whom they believed to be guilty of gross misconduct. The elders had not done it so they did it. One of them then proceeded to tear up the announcements on the church bulletin board regarding the coming training and the Chinese Recovery Version, and threw in the trash some LSM books on display in the bookroom. This one called two days later and apologized for such unruly behavior, and we accepted the apology. Due to the chaotic condition we cancelled the evening meeting at the hall and met that night in homes.

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EXERCISING DISCIPLINE UPON A BROTHER
November 6, 1988

During the months of September and October 1988 we had much consideration with all the elders in Anaheim regarding how to handle the problem of a certain brother and what action should be taken. It was a matter of serious misconduct on the part of the brother, and due to the ramifications of the affair Godfred, Al, and I, who were more familiar with the case, felt that church discipline should be exercised. Minoru and Philip, the other two elders, did not agree but said they would not try to stop this being done.

The date was eventually set for the Lord’s Day, November 6th. Minoru and Philip still dissented from the decision, but Godfred, Al, and I due to the serious nature of the problem, felt that we must go ahead to deal with it on the English-speaking side even without unanimity with the other two brothers on the Chinese-speaking side. The two brothers agreed to read our statements in the Chinese-speaking meeting, and then follow it with statements of their own dissenting from the action and explaining why. In the English-speaking side we would make our statement and follow it by reading the statements of Minoru and Philip.

Thus at the end of the Lord’s Day meeting, November 6th, Godfred stood and asked all the saints to read 1 Corinthians 5:6-11. He then said that in obedience to the Word of God we must ask all the saints not to associate with the brother being disciplined since we had sufficient evidence that he was such a one as described in 1 Corinthians 5:11. He then read statements by Minoru and Philip dissenting from the announcement. Of course it was a highly unusual step to take without the consensus of the brothers and indeed regrettable that all the elders could not concur in this matter. By this you may realize the situation among the elders and realize how strongly we felt about the matter.

After the meeting Godfred and I visited the wife of the disciplined brother and told her that this action did not apply to her or her children. She had come to the meeting in defiance of Godfred asking her not to come. She was greatly grieved, and we felt sorry for her.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Nell

The next Lord’s Day morning, October 16th, the same group of saints who spoke on October 9th came again obviously to prolong their denunciations. Godfred stood at the beginning and spoke, begging them to desist and allow us to continue our study of Ephesians. They interrupted him frequently, and he patiently answered their questions. Then we proceeded to read some verses in Ephesians and in a tense atmosphere some bravely attempted to share from the Word. Eventually the saints who were intent on speaking more problematic things begin to take over the meeting with much turmoil, upon which Godfred stood and summarily dismissed the meeting. About sixty percent of those attending, including the elders, left the meeting, leaving about thirty or forty, who remained and had their own meeting.

In the Midwest back in the late 80's, tapes of this meeting were received, so all of us heard about "chaos" in Anaheim. For me personally, I was never told why or what was the reason for the "tense atmosphere." Of course, no one I knew had received John Ingalls' account of events.

The official word from Titus Chu to all the Midwest brothers was simple and twofold -- How dare John Ingalls and the elders in Anaheim let their meetings get out of hand and protest the leadership of "our brother" Lee. Secondly, Midwest brothers were all encouraged to write "shame on you" letters to these elders, and voice their support for Brother Lee.

In a total vacuum of facts, it all made sense. It wasn't until 2005 or 2006 that I learned from Ingalls' account STTIL that Titus Chu was well aware of Philip Lee's history of abuse and molesting sisters, and his actions could only be construed as political. So much for TC's governing principle: "the mistakes of my spiritual father [WL] are none of my business."

Every worthwhile principle in life must also be governed by proper boundaries. "Mistakes" are mistakes, not the coverup of criminal activities. For example, if your father is beating your mother, and you see it, then it is your business to take some action to protect her. American society is now rife with this exact same scenario because those who should have taken action decided it was "none of their business."

In WL's case, it was far worse than merely saying it was "none of my business." Over a long period of time, WL actively protected his degenerate sons Philip and Timothy, who should have been fired from LSM and arrested, and then WL went further to slander and libel the whistle blowers, whose only "crime" was to speak their conscience and stand up for the children of God. Let's not forget that it was the elders in Anaheim who actually stopped the husband of one of Philip's victims from getting a gun and killing him.

This story reminds me of the Congressional "Shush Fund" we have learned about in recent weeks, with payouts to silence the victims of sexual abuse. Not only was the ministry of WL no better than the numerous Christian ministries he long had condemned, but his own ministry was no different than what we see today in rotten politics.

[Nell]

I heard this tape you mention, as well as JI spoke about it.

From John Ingalls, Speaking the Truth in Love

This is JI's account of the incident you described:

A VERY THREATENING INCIDENT
December 1987 – March 1988

In late December a brother in the church in Anaheim who had been severely damaged through the misconduct in LSM office was so traumatized psychologically that he sought revenge and took definite steps to execute a very grave act. (Thank God it never happened.)

Nell

[Nell]

CONSIDERING HOW TO BRING THE PROBLEMS BEFORE BROTHER LEE
October – November 1987

The grievous conduct reported by the sister from the LSM office had a precedent that we were well aware of. Ten years previously there had been reports of similar incidents in the LSM office confirmed by several eye-witnesses. This compounded the serious nature of the case.
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During the next few days I telephoned several brothers, co-workers whom I respected and trusted and with whom I had served for many years. They were aware of the incidents ten years previously. …

What happened ten years prior in 1978? What is John talking about?

Before the information contained on the Bereans Forum "went away," I regularly downloaded the entire forum which contained the posts on the Local Church. The links to this Local Church section on Breans are broken, so I'm relying on what I downloaded years ago. This post has been cleaned up to remove graphic lines and superfluous html coding.

There are names in this post that appeared for years on the Bereans Forum, therefore I'm repeating them here.

Title: Max Rappaport’s ‘Rebellion’
Posts by: Nell on June 23-24, 2005, 01:52:14 PM
After a brother walked into the Living Stream office of Phillip Lee and caught him "in the act" with a married sister who was not his wife, the brother went to Max. Max went to WL and "rebelled". WL predictably "shot the messenger" and Max was hung out to dry. I think that might the one piece of information that could make a lot of things fall into place for you.

This is the nutshell account that I've heard from several sources, more than once, over many years. In the last few months, I was visiting in a home where one of the guests was the very brother who walked in on Phillip and the sister. It was interesting hearing from him on the subject.

Don Hardy walked in on Phillip Lee in a compromising position. My only documents indicated that it was Warren Peterson. She confirmed that there were actually two occasions where brothers walked in on Phillip Lee in the Living Stream Office.

The History of Philip Lee discussion appears on this forum.

From the information appearing in this thread, and other places, I think we have a picture of who the bad actors were/are and how the culture of sexual abuse in the Local Church and the Living Stream Ministry began and why it continues.

I've attached a copy of the article from the Los Angeles Times dated January 7, 1989 which briefly mentions Max near the end.

Again, we pray for all the young women who were abuse by wolves in sheep's clothing. We pray for their healing and real recovery.

To the present day sexual abusers in the Local Church we say, in addition to being a criminal, you are sick. You need help. Hiding behind the "cover the brothers" teaching of Witness Lee will not stand at the judgment seat of Christ. For your own sake, stop your sinful behavior. Repent to those you have abused and repent to the Body of Christ.

Nell

[UntoHim]

In the immediate days after "the Max incident" of the late 70s, Witness Lee did a lot of rebuking of the LC members for not being "policemen" - in other words for not ratting on their brothers and sisters. (a practice that was no doubt established/encouraged at the beginnings of the LC movement by Watchman Nee, and continued by Lee.)

Of course when the tables were turned not many years later, and many brothers and sisters took up Lee's call to be "a policemen", these whistle blowers were labeled as traders, "negative" "rebellious" "touching God's anointed" "poisoned" "evil ones" and worse. The ones taking the lead to be policeman, such as John Ingalls and John So and were publicly excoriated by Witness Lee in the most vicious and unjust manner.

We now know that this "policeman" garbage was pulled by Witness Lee time and time again going back to the 1950's in Taiwan. We also now know that a number of the earlier American followers of Lee were made aware of these shenanigans in the early days in Los Angeles. They should have taken heed back then and took measures to protect themselves and the flock. They ended up paying a very high price for their negligence.
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[Ohio]

Originally Posted by UntoHim

In the immediate days after "the Max incident" of the late 70s, Witness Lee did a lot of rebuking of the LC members for not being "policemen" - in other words for not ratting on their brothers and sisters. (a practice that was no doubt established/encouraged at the beginnings of the LC movement by Watchman Nee, and continued by Lee.)

I thought the whole "policeman" talk was directed solely at Max. As the story went, it was the churches fault for not standing up to his abuses -- firing elders, sending all the young people to campus training centers, laying waste many LC's, etc.

Here WL proved himself the hypocrite. It was he alone who sent Max out to shake up the LC's. Had anyone like TC acted like a "policeman" and called WL, he would have been severely rebuked for not being "one with the ministry." Once again WL's winds and waves of "flows" came crashing down on innocent children of God, but he of course needed the perfect scapegoat -- Max! After it all died down, Lee came out smelling like a rose, and those who knew better were gone.

Most troubling to me was finally learning of Lee's underhanded methods on this forum. Instead of acting like a gentleman, acknowledging responsibility, he used the old Chinese custom of destroying your opponent by humiliating his wife before all the saints, claiming some secret "sisters rebellion" in the church. This occurred during the Memorial day Conference in Anaheim in 1977.

It was the same time that Benson Philips unloaded on a few Texas sisters as recorded in Jane Anderson's book Thread of Gold. Talk about a copycat crime!

[awareness]

Originally Posted by UntoHim

these whistle blowers were labeled as traders, "negative" "rebellious" "touching God's anointed"
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When I stated that Lee brought Nee's ministry to America, and Lee's sons brought Nee's sexual improprieties to America, I failed to mention that Lee also brought his bag of tricks in covering up such improprieties. Given Nee's improprieties back in Shanghai, this was old hat to Lee. He knew exactly what to do, and what to say. He had pulled off this scam before, and saw it work.

Some might consider: “By telling the truth, the children of God will stumble, God would not be glorified, and the current Local Churches will also be suffered.” Even some might condemn those who intend to expose the true history of Nee. During the family chaos after Nee’s wedding, Witness Lee said: “By the Lord’s mercy, Sister Wang and I decided to know nothing, do nothing, and say nothing concerning this problem.”(22)
~Hsu M.D, Lily M.; Roberts M.A M.T.S, Dana. My Unforgettable Memories:Watchman Nee and Shanghai Local Church (Kindle Locations 4397-4400). Xulon Press. Kindle Edition.

In Shanghai Nee was looked up to as God's anointed.

Okay, given that Nee started the local church movement in China, this notion of "don't touch God's anointed" made some sense, even if covering up for Nee's sexual sins and adultery, by using Old Testament history, was reprehensible. However, it made no sense when applied to Philip. Philip, in no way shape or form, could be considered God's anointed

Still, Lee reached into that old grab bag, that he used and brought from Shanghai, and whipped out "don't touch God's anointed."

Lee's sons brought Nee's sexual ways to America, Lee brought his ministry, and Lee also brought the way to excuse and cover up such illicit matters. He had seen it before, done it before, having applied it to Nee, back in Shanghai.

Maybe it was old and shopworn, but it worked when applied to Nee, back in the day, and I'll be darn, it worked when applied to Philip too.

I'm sorry, but this makes Lee look like a shyster. And Nee too.

[Nell]

The Shameful Behavior Continues

Poster “Hope” has revealed his own name: Don Rutledge. I believe this is common knowledge now.

The posts below do not make it clear, but there were two instances of sexual immorality discussed below. Don Rutledge (Hope) revealed the first instance when Ben McPherson confessed to Ray Graver. I don’t have an exact date for the conversation among the 5 elders below, but it can be traced back to the approximate time that Ben moved to Tyler, which we also don’t have an exact date for. If someone has this date (Don?) please post it.

The second instance occurred quite a few years later, and was discovered in 1991. If not for Witness Lee, Benson and Ray, the sisters in Irving, Arlington, Dallas and Fort Worth would have at least known that there was a sexual predator among them. Instead, they never knew...until the unthinkable happened. How many sisters today know that there are sexual predators among them in the Local Churches????

…and the history of sexual sin and sexual abuse in the Local Churches continues.


The Public Square (http://www.thebereans.net/forum2/index.php)
- Nee, Lee & the Church of Recovery
(http://www.thebereans.net/forum2/forumdisplay.php?f=342)
- - Texas History (http://www.thebereans.net/forum2/showthread.php?t=39906)

SECOND IMMORAL CASE (EMPHASIS BY NELL TO CLARIFY)
Ben McPherson had an affair with the wife of a brother he had served with in the Local Church in Houston, and then divorced his wife. When the affair was found out, she divorced her husband.

Ben is now married to his brother's former wife. She was my friend, my sister in the Lord, and a spiritual mother to me for years. Some of us tried to help rescue her, but we all failed.

We begged Benson Phillips to try and help rescue these two marriages too. Benson was close to all the parties involved and was responsible for a serious problem which only he could clear up. He was too busy. He had to fly off to spread the church life to Russia. KSA can tell you how well that went.

Ben's children and his brother's children all grew up together in Houston.

Nell

Nell 10-29-07 09:38
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Quote Thankful: post #102

If anyone "in-the-know" in Texas had spoken out "negatively" about Ben M.'s condition many years ago when it was discovered, what happened to the brother who lost his wife might have been avoided.

Whoever knew and didn't tell bears a measure of responsibility in that situation since Ben M. was an elder and should have been publicly corrected. Ben M. might have even been helped. Instead, it looks like he was "protected" at his own expense and at the expense of the uninformed sheep.

No Christian likes to hear these kind of things about a fellow believer. But then again, neither does anyone like to hear a doctor say they have cancer.

If a doctor isn't willing to speak "negatively" when cancer is found, he plays a part in the outcome.

Thankful

Nell 10-29-07 09:42
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Hope: #103

Regarding Ben McPhersons immorality, this is the report from a first hand witness: Ray Graver was the first to know. He contacted Benson Phillips who called for an urgent gathering at his home with Ray, Joe Davis of Houston, Don Looper of Austin and Don Rutledge of Dallas. This occurred the morning after Ben was found out. All the brothers there were furious. Don Rutledge angrily declared that they had all been betrayed. All agreed that Ben should be publicly excommunicated and publicly rebuked that all may fear. All agreed that the Lord could not bless the church in Irving due to Ben’s sin. Ben had confessed to Ray that this sin was not a one time thing but had been going on for some time including when he was in Arlington. Ben also admitted that he knew the Church in Arlington had lagged the other Dallas area churches in blessing due to his sin. At that time, none of these brothers would sympathize with any immorality and especially from an elder or co-worker.

While they were meeting, Witness Lee returned Bensons urgent message. After about a 30 minute conversation, Benson returned to the room where the brothers were waiting, still in a state of shock and outrage. Witness Lee urged them to consider Bens family and the harm to them if he was publicly exposed. He urged them not to publicly excommunicate him but simply ask him to move away. That is what Ray and Benson decided to do. The other three had big reservations but deferred to the Irving brothers to take care of the matter.

But then the lying started. Many people began to call wanting to know what happened to Ben. Since Witness Lee, Benson and Ray had decided to keep the real situation under wraps, what where these brothers to say. Looper and Rutledge would say that something must have happened in Irving and they did not know for sure – A LIE. Benson and Ray told various stories, Ben wanted to get away etc and not to worry since he was in fellowship.

Witness Lee urged Benson and Ray to spend time with Ben and seek to recover him, but they were too disgusted to seek to contact him.

Yes the worldly wisdom from Witness Lee and the unfaithfulness of the five brothers led to more tragedy. All five have an account to give at the judgment seat.

Hope

In Christ Jesus there is hope for us all.

[TLFisher]

Originally Posted by awareness

Witness Lee said: “By the Lord’s mercy, Sister Wang and I decided to know nothing, do nothing, and say nothing concerning this problem.”(22)[/B]
~Hsu M.D, Lily M.; Roberts M.A M.T.S, Dana. My Unforgettable Memories:Watchman Nee and Shanghai Local Church (Kindle Locations 4397-4400). Xulon Press. Kindle Edition. [/COLOR]

My goodness! Never read the book, but it is telling. If you don't learn from history, you're bound to repeat it.
Fast forward 40+ years to late 1980s Anaheim and you wonder why the Church in Anaheim was in a riotous atmosphere?
Saints were looking to the elders to do the just thing. The elders were looking to Witness Lee to do the right thing. All the while he "knew nothing, did nothing, and said nothing concerning this problem”.

[Indiana]

Originally Posted by Nell

CONSIDERING HOW TO BRING THE PROBLEMS BEFORE BROTHER LEE
October – November 1987

The grievous conduct reported by the sister from the LSM office had a precedent that we were well aware of. Ten years previously there had been reports of similar incidents in the LSM office confirmed by several eye-witnesses. This compounded the serious nature of the case.

During the next few days I telephoned several brothers, co-workers whom I respected and trusted and with whom I had served for many years. They were aware of the incidents ten years previously. …

What happened ten years prior in 1978? What is John talking about?

Nell

After I had read a book full of erroneous and misleading content about men and events & their motives and intentions during a tumultuous period in the churches, I decided to uncover the pertinent details left out of that book, The Fermentation of the Present Rebellion. / Philip Lee was a chaotic presence in the Local Churches which LSM and church leaders have never spoken about or put into print to show the major cause of division that he was.

from Deviating from the Path

Eyewitness Account of Philip Lee

Warren Peterson witness: Brother Warren Peterson was an eyewitness to the moral misconduct of Philip Lee and a sister at Living Stream in the late seventies that all the elders came to know about, as did Brother Lee. Philip denied the matter vehemently when an elder confronted him, but the sister confessed with many tears when elders came to her. At least one current elder in Anaheim knows this and former elders in Anaheim also know this, along with other saints, and they know the following account, as well, of what happened:

Warren said in an interview with me (2001) that he was working at the Anaheim meeting hall one night when brothers were putting a lot of time in on the Living Stream part of the building to get certain things done. He had been there all day and it was getting close to 10:00 P.M. when Brother Lee and Philip Lee approached him and Nolis Miller to ask if they could work longer. Neither brother wanted to stay but Warren did stay and was painting in a room adjoining the office where Philip (married) and a sister (married) were working. They obviously did not realize he was there, only 50 or 60 feet away, when they began to engage in mutually compromising immoral physical contact. Warren was dumbfounded as this went on for about ten to fifteen minutes. He finished what he was doing and went home, not knowing what to do about what he saw. The next day, a Saturday morning, he was determined to report the incident to an elder and did so. He reported the matter to Francis Ball who acknowledged that this was serious and informed Warren that he would bring it up with the elders that morning. Francis did that and then immediately got back to Warren, who was in the hall working with the maintenance bothers. The elders wanted to see him. He went to them, sat down, and opened to them about what he saw. They, of course, felt this was a very serious matter, one of them (Max Rapoport) stating, “we will get this cleared up, Warren. We can’t have this going on down there in the Living Stream; this will corrupt the church life.”

Max then went to Brother Lee, and upon hearing the report Brother Lee bowed his head and called on the Lord and said, “What shall we do?” Max said they had to do something and suggested that Philip leave Anaheim and go back to Taipei. Brother Lee did not agree with this idea. From that point, his word to the elders was that he would take care of his son. When the question was asked how he could take care of his son when he, Brother Lee, was at home sleeping while his son was still working late with a sister, the answer was the same; he would take care of his son. Although leading brothers and Brother Lee knew about the situation, no action was taken and the sister continued working with Philip at the Living Stream office.

Max Rapoport, wanting to get to the bottom of the story, took Philip to lunch and confronted him on the matter. Philip denied everything, nearly causing a fight in what Max described as a terrible scene in the restaurant. The elders then went to the sister to confront her on the matter and she immediately confessed that the story was true and broke down in tears. She was very sorry and expressed her remorse and repentance to the elders. It was the sister, eventually, not Philip, who was sent out of Anaheim, along with her husband and family, moving away to Texas.

Philip was allowed to continue in his position as manager at LSM for ten years when reports of his immoral behavior again came forth and the pattern of non-discipline was repeated.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Indiana

Max then went to Brother Lee, and upon hearing the report Brother Lee bowed his head and called on the Lord and said, “What shall we do?” Max said they had to do something and suggested that Philip leave Anaheim and go back to Taipei. Brother Lee did not agree with this idea. From that point, his word to the elders was that he would take care of his son. When the question was asked how he could take care of his son when he, Brother Lee, was at home sleeping while his son was still working late with a sister, the answer was the same; he would take care of his son. Although leading brothers and Brother Lee knew about the situation, no action was taken and the sister continued working with Philip at the Living Stream office.

Philip was allowed to continue in his position as manager at LSM for ten years when reports of his immoral behavior again came forth and the pattern of non-discipline was repeated.

Brother Lee’s Comment About Philip: During a troubling time, Brother Lee lacked normal human responses to the church and to many individuals, as the spiritual father of us all. However, he was quite attendant to his own family, to his own reputation, and to the protection and welfare of his own son, Philip Lee. His comment to Francis Ball and John Ingalls showed the state of unreality that he was in regarding his son and the poor choice he had made in making Philip the manager of LSM.

John Ingalls: The following week Brother Lee notified me of the annual meeting of the Board of Directors of the Living Stream Ministry. I had been a board member and the secretary of the corporation since its inception in 1968, and I still occupied these positions. The meeting was to take place at his home, Friday morning, July 15th. Present at the meeting were Brother Lee, Sister Lee, Philip Lee, Francis Ball, and myself, the five board members. Brother Lee as the president called the meeting to order and announced that the main purpose of the meeting was to elect officers for the coming year.

After the board meeting was adjourned, Sister Lee and Philip Lee left the room, and Brother Lee continued to talk at length with Francis Ball and myself about the current situation. I just listened, saying very little. He said how much he and Philip Lee and their families had suffered through all the talk about them. He then stated, “Philip, of course, is not perfect; nobody is perfect!” It shocked me that he would make such an inappropriate statement as that after all that had been said and done.

WL did nothing about his sons. Reminds me of old Eli in I Samuel. Actually WL did do something, he promoted his son Philip to "Office Manager," the 2nd in command, subjecting every worker, elder, and saint to his abuse. But hey, what's a little sexual abuse between friends. Nobody is perfect, you know.

Gymnastics Doctor Larry Nassar was not perfect either, and I'm sure his family suffered too! And by the way, Jerry Sandusky's family suffered too. Nasser and Sandusky, however, will finish their days in prison.

Who cares? Obviously WL cared nothing about the victims. Every time I read this, it makes me sick. WL had so many lieutenants who protected him, did his rotten bidding, and acted as ministry "hit men" to silence each and every whistleblower.

[TLFisher]

Originally Posted by Indiana

Eyewitness Accounts of Philip Lee

According to Philip Lin's book Sacrifice and Sail On, these eyewitness accounts never happened. That's the historical revisionism expected from LSM co-workers. Facts becomes discarded as fiction. Essentially what it means brothers giving eyewitness accounts are being called liars.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Let's not forget that it was the elders in Anaheim who actually stopped the husband of one of Philip's victims from getting a gun and killing him.

Did you see the video of that guy with 3 daughters reading to that slimy Larry Nasser doctor during sentencing. Another few seconds and he would have killed the guy. The judge was great, and let him go.

This is the kind of meeting that an honorable Witness Lee should have forced Philip to endure. Let all his victims rebuke him to his face, and shame Philip before all.