Whistleblower

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Nell

When I hear that the Local Church leadership, actually the Living Stream Ministry leadership, stands in the assembly and says "John Ingalls was right to expose the handling of Philip Lee by his father, Witness Lee. Max Rapoport was right...Don Hardy was right...we were wrong to allow ourselves to be pressured by Witness Lee to protect sinning brothers. I'm not holding my breath until that happens, but this is the "way of life" to which I refer. Nell

Originally Posted by Steel

So you demand your feelings/understanding/knowledge/opinions be justified by men?

Is that a scriptural way to conduct yourself?

Is this what John Ingalls wants?

Is this what Max Rapoport wants?

Is this what Don Hardy wants?

Would you think to speak for them?

Steel, this is the kind of aggressive posting that got your posts moderated.

Nell is citing other LC leaders who have warned us in the past of rottenness at LSM. Combined with so many other witnesses who have posted on the board, Nell is right to sound the alarm. Better safe than sorry.

If all of these brothers have warned us in the past, Nell is right to repeat their warnings. This has nothing to do with "demanding her feelings/ understanding/ knowledge/ opinions to be justified by men?"

Perhaps you could also learn something from LC leaders about "Keeping all your posts short, quick, living, and to the point!"

[aron]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Combined with so many other witnesses who have posted on the board, Nell is right to sound the alarm. Better safe than sorry.

As Jesus taught us, "Tell it to the church!"

[Steel]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Steel, this is the kind of aggressive posting that got your posts moderated.

I'll keep that in mind. I don't see what I said as being aggresive... But again, I'll keep it in mind.

Originally Posted by Ohio

Nell is citing other LC leaders who have warned us in the past of rottenness at LSM. Combined with so many other witnesses who have posted on the board, Nell is right to sound the alarm. Better safe than sorry.

If the heart is pure... Sure. But if it isn't, then what is it that scripture says should be our response?

Originally Posted by Ohio

If all of these brothers have warned us in the past, Nell is right to repeat their warnings. This has nothing to do with "demanding her feelings/ understanding/ knowledge/ opinions to be justified by men?"

Perhaps in your opinion... But after reading and considering what she said, my thinking regarding it differed to yours. Which is why I wrote what I did in my response.

Originally Posted by Ohio

Perhaps you could also learn something from LC leaders about "Keeping all your posts short, quick, living, and to the point!"

I try... And am getting better and better at it each day... Lord willing.

From another comment Ohio made... "I do wish our dear brother Steel would stop posting about things he knows nothing about."

Back at ya.

Ohio... A question... Do you dislike me?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Steel

Ohio... A question... Do you dislike me?

No, not at all, I love you as a brother in Christ.

Even if you were my "enemy" I would still love you.

[Steel]

Originally Posted by Ohio

No, not at all, I love you as a brother in Christ.

Even if you were my "enemy" I would still love you.

Then why do you seek to slander me?

[UntoHim]

Nobody is slandering anybody on this forum. If I see it, it gets deleted immediately, and the poster reprimanded.
Please point out the post in which you were slandered.
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[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by UntoHim

Nobody is slandering anybody on this forum. If I see it, it gets deleted immediately, and the poster reprimanded.
Please point out the post in which you were slandered.
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Post #40 please. But only the last paragraph. But I'm not too worried about it. Every Christian is a miniature garden of Eden.

[Nell]

Originally Posted by UntoHim

Nobody is slandering anybody on this forum. If I see it, it gets deleted immediately, and the poster reprimanded.
Please point out the post in which you were slandered.
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It’s not “slander” if it’s true.

Nell

[Nell]

Before this thread goes further off the rails, let me clearly state that the purpose is to blow the whistle on sexual immorality in the Local Churches, as testified to by women who were exposed to this abuse. The result in their lives has left them, in some cases, shipwrecked in their faith. If you have no meaningful contribution to this topic, please post on another thread.

Watchman Nee laid the foundation for sexual immorality in the church as Dr. Lily Hsu described in her book My Unforgettable Memories: Watchman Nee and Shanghai Local Church - Dr. Hsu
http://localchurchdiscussions.com/vB...74&postcount=1

On this foundation, Witness Lee continued supporting the immorality of his son, Philip as told by John Ingalls in his book Speaking the Truth in Love http://localchurchdiscussions.com/vB...Truth in Love.

We haven't discussed Lee's son Timothy. From what I've read, in some ways, Timothy was worse than Philip. That could be because I read a few more details from Timothy's depravity but I had to stop.

There are testimonies on this forum which brave women have shared regarding their experiences of abuse in the Local Churches. A few posters would seem to want to change the subject and detract from the topic. In that case, please start your own thread. Otherwise, this is an important topic and deserves to be addressed. The devil would like to kill, steal and destroy the lives of women who trusted that the Local Church was a safe place for them to grow as Christian women. For some, that is not the case. There may be others monitoring this topic and looking for a safe place to share their experiences. Hopefully we can continue to keep this topic from being destroyed.

Nell

[Steel]

Originally Posted by UntoHim

Nobody is slandering anybody on this forum. If I see it, it gets deleted immediately, and the poster reprimanded.
Please point out the post in which you were slandered.
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On various threads Ohio has either said or tried to suggest that I in some way work for, or should work for, or associated with LSM... Which I said very early on that I wasn't working for LSM, and had no desire to work with LSM.

Therefore... To continually say or suggest this amonts to slander of my person as it suggests that what I have said is not true... And by "...slander..." I mean making false and damaging statements about my person.

My reason for asking Ohio the question I did was to try and find out why he was continuing to speak in this way about me... Fellowship is only possible when we are standing on the same ground with a desire to move forward together... Which is what I'm after with all here.

And please, all, don't get all twisted in trying to say that I'm taking the way of thinking law suit foolishness... My speaking was simply to try and point out that Ohio's speaking to me is not in line with the proper fellowship that scripture tells us should take place between members of the Lord's one body.

The above made clear... Perhaps the word "...slander...", given past history related to the matters being discussed on these threads, was not the most appropriate to use... But in the other online forums I participate in (none being local church, LSM, Witness Lee related... Just many that have an abundance of atheists involved) it is sometimes necessary to use strong words to get points across.

Now, that made clear... I do think Nell's speaking that I have already referred to in another comment was way out of line.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Steel

On various threads Ohio has either said or tried to suggest that I in some way work for, or should work for, or associated with LSM... Which I said very early on that I wasn't working for LSM, and had no desire to work with LSM.

Therefore... To continually say or suggest this amounts to slander of my person as it suggests that what I have said is not true... And by "...slander..." I mean making false and damaging statements about my person.

Steel, are you serious?

You are on a Local Church Discussions forum defending LSM and its teachings, and then you say it is slander for me to ask if you have worked for them?

Steel, try to read more carefully. I asked Drake that same question on another thread. Perhaps you are so upset, you are not seeing straight.

"Let the peace of Christ rule in your heart."