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[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

If Russia's intent is to destroy the US credibility in our government by meddling in our elections and if there was no collusion with Trump then by all means they should extradite them. In the trial they could claim they worked with Trump's campaign, that would throw the country into a tissy. Surely that would accomplish Putin's goals better than anything, except of course a President that is beholden to him.

These kind of ungrounded, baseless comments only win you points with fellow liberal Trump-haters.

Putin's goal was to divide the country. Russians have been doing this for decades. Folks like you play right into their hands.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

These kind of ungrounded, baseless comments only win you points with fellow liberal Trump-haters.

Putin's goal was to divide the country. Russians have been doing this for decades. Folks like you play right into their hands.

This indictment could play right into his hands, that is my point.

Yes, fellow patriots like myself applaud an investigation into Russian meddling in our election. So far there have been quite a few people who have pled guilty and are cooperating with Mueller. That tells me that those of you screaming about how this investigation was "fake news" were misled. It also tells me there is more to come and he is not yet finished handing out indictments.

Finally, Trump and his administration admits the Russians meddled in the election, agrees that the Russians helped him win, and completely obliterates any "conspiracy" claims about the investigation. Yes, we can get somewhere.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

This indictment could play right into his hands, that is my point.

Yes, fellow patriots like myself applaud an investigation into Russian meddling in our election. So far there have been quite a few people who have pled guilty and are cooperating with Mueller. That tells me that those of you screaming about how this investigation was "fake news" were misled. It also tells me there is more to come and he is not yet finished handing out indictments.

Finally, Trump and his administration admits the Russians meddled in the election, agrees that the Russians helped him win, and completely obliterates any "conspiracy" claims about the investigation. Yes, we can get somewhere.

Who has pled guilty to collusion?

THERE IS STILL NO PROOF OF TRUMP-RUSSIA COLLUSION DURING ELECTION.

And rumor has it that this new judge will throw out the Flynn fake conviction of lying to crooked agent Strzok while NOT under oath or represented by his lawyer.

The Russians have meddled in American politics for many decades. No one denied that. Obama knew that and did nothing. Where is the outrage at him? Obviously the Obama administration was convinced that Russian meddling would help Sanders or Clinton.

Trump Hate really does blind people to the facts, even forensics teachers.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Who has pled guilty to collusion?

THERE IS STILL NO PROOF OF TRUMP-RUSSIA COLLUSION DURING ELECTION.

There is no indictment for collusion, but that is not the same as "no evidence for collusion". It is far too early for us to say there is no evidence. What there is clearly indictments for is Russian meddling to help Trump get elected. We also have a number of people who have pled guilty and are working with the prosecution. There is no reason for the prosecutor to cut deals if this is all he has. Everything, including the wording on these indictments, indicates that there is still more to come.

Originally Posted by Ohio

And rumor has it that this new judge will throw out the Flynn fake conviction of lying to crooked agent Strzok while NOT under oath or represented by his lawyer.

The Russians have meddled in American politics for many decades. No one denied that. Obama knew that and did nothing. Where is the outrage at him? Obviously the Obama administration was convinced that Russian meddling would help Sanders or Clinton.

Trump Hate really does blind people to the facts, even forensics teachers.

Please. Are you now upset that the US government is investigating Russian meddling in our elections? That is absurd.

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Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

There is no indictment for collusion, but that is not the same as "no evidence for collusion". It is far too early for us to say there is no evidence. What there is clearly indictments for is Russian meddling to help Trump get elected. We also have a number of people who have pled guilty and are working with the prosecution. There is no reason for the prosecutor to cut deals if this is all he has. Everything, including the wording on these indictments, indicates that there is still more to come.



Please. Are you now upset that the US government is investigating Russian meddling in our elections? That is absurd.

Ohio's knee-jerk response is to defend the alpha male. It's a characteristic that would have put him in good stead in the LCM.

He seems to imagine that he "knows" the real truth behind the scenes in advance better than any special prosecutor could possibly find out through investigation. Just like Trump, he declares over and over how whatever is found "proves" that there was no "collusion".

Authoritarian mindsets are the human medium for the outer ripples of the sound wave in Trump's echo chamber.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

There is no indictment for collusion, but that is not the same as "no evidence for collusion". It is far too early for us to say there is no evidence. What there is clearly indictments for is Russian meddling to help Trump get elected. We also have a number of people who have pled guilty and are working with the prosecution. There is no reason for the prosecutor to cut deals if this is all he has. Everything, including the wording on these indictments, indicates that there is still more to come.

Please. Are you now upset that the US government is investigating Russian meddling in our elections? That is absurd.

After more than a year, if there was ANY evidence of collusion between Trump and the Russians, then it would have been leaked out long ago.

Instead we DO see collusion by the Obama administration and Clinton campaign which proves collusion with the Russians. Exhibit No. 1 is the Dossier paid for by the Clintons, used by Obama FBI and DOJ to spy on Team Trump. Obviously you have missed all that news watching CNN.

If you want the US to investigate Russian meddling in our elections, why are you not upset that Obama did NOTHING about it in 2016? The current investigation by FBI started in 2014, long before Trump came along. If you really want the US to investigate Russian corruption in our government, why are you not upset about the Uranium One deal, with hundreds of millions going from Russia to the Clinton Foundation, and 20% of our Uranium going to them?

Stop watching main stream media and learn what really happens!

[Ohio]

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[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

After more than a year, if there was ANY evidence of collusion between Trump and the Russians, then it would have been leaked out long ago.

Collusion refers to secret cooperation to cheat. This indictment proves there was an organized effort by the Russians to cheat our election and get Trump elected. Therefore, this indictment, although it does not provide evidence of Trump's cooperation, it does set the stage for further indictments for collusion. Once you have established the Russian meddling, it is simply a matter of providing evidence of meetings with them that were lied about (that has leaked out). If you have those two a judge would probably permit the use of NSA tapes of communications. It will be difficult to prove Trump cooperated unless he was stupid enough to do it on the phone or in an electronic communication, but it may be a lot easier to "crack Don Jr. like an egg" or convict Kushner. As for leaks no one had any idea these indictments were coming. They thought the press conference would be about Florida. That shows Mueller runs a very tight ship.

Originally Posted by Ohio

Instead we DO see collusion by the Obama administration and Clinton campaign which proves collusion with the Russians. Exhibit No. 1 is the Dossier paid for by the Clintons, used by Obama FBI and DOJ to spy on Team Trump. Obviously you have missed all that news watching CNN.

Nope, didn't miss it. Not a crime to dig dirt on an opponent in an election. As I recall the whole "golden showers" is about Donald Trump and Russian prostitutes. The concern is that he is open to being blackmailed and manipulated by the Russians. The latest revelation of the two affairs Trump had "buried" by paying approximately $130,00 to each of those prostitutes indicates the "golden showers" allegations are consistent with his character.

Also, look at how good Mueller is at not tipping his hand. The indictment says the Russians contacted "unwitting" members of Trumps campaign. That could have been anyone! Don Jr., Kushner, Sessions, Flynn, Pappadapolous, Manafort, Bannon, even Trump -- they have all been described as "unwitting".

Originally Posted by Ohio

If you want the US to investigate Russian meddling in our elections, why are you not upset that Obama did NOTHING about it in 2016? The current investigation by FBI started in 2014, long before Trump came along. If you really want the US to investigate Russian corruption in our government, why are you not upset about the Uranium One deal, with hundreds of millions going from Russia to the Clinton Foundation, and 20% of our Uranium going to them?

These investigations take years. Mueller and his team have not hidden the fact that this started in 2014 and that should put egg and mud on the Obama administration. That also explains why they don't do these investigations because it brings down a lot of people. I applaud all of it.

[ZNPaaneah]

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