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[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

Florida law applies to all Floridians not just NRA members. According to Florida law Cruz had the right to make threats and the right to carry an assault rifle. So, even though the authorities knew all about his murderous intent, there was nothing they could lawfully do to stop him. Florida legislators are considering whether they should make changes to the law now to prevent this from happening here again. Stay tuned.

That's a malicious lie. A geography teacher and a football coach died saving students according to survivors.

Malicious lie?

Then please explain to me why we now have reports of 4 Broward County deputies refusing to enter the school because they had no body cams?

You have also confirmed Trump's claims that the brave ones are the teachers, and where possible, they should be armed, and not the cowards on Sheriff Israel's force.

Fire the Sheriff without pay! No pension either!

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Malicious lie?

Then please explain to me why we now have reports of 4 Broward County deputies refusing to enter the school because they had no body cams?

You have also confirmed Trump's claims that the brave ones are the teachers, and where possible, they should be armed, and not the cowards on Sheriff Israel's force.

Fire the Sheriff without pay! No pension either!

The survivors have spoken out in support of the sheriff.

I'm with the survivors. They are the face of change ... finally.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

The survivors have spoken out in support of the sheriff.

I'm with the survivors. They are the face of change ... finally.

These vulnerable young students should have been protected, instead CNN has exploited most of them.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Malicious lie?

Then please explain to me why we now have reports of 4 Broward County deputies refusing to enter the school because they had no body cams?

You have also confirmed Trump's claims that the brave ones are the teachers, and where possible, they should be armed, and not the cowards on Sheriff Israel's force.

Fire the Sheriff without pay! No pension either!

Easy for you to say. You overgeneralized by condemning "Broward" as cowards. You forgot about the Broward heroes.

And you rushed to judgment. Why the blame game? It's still being sorted out down here.

Right-wing Florida politicians like Governor Rick Scott are showing greater willingness to look at the facts than you. They're considering solutions they would have rejected out of hand 13 days ago.

The Florida legislature was going to vote on an "open carry" law on the Friday February 16 that was taken off the table the day after the Douglas High shooting. Who knows, they may finally do something that works

This reminds me of your reaction to the Mueller investigation. You seem to be in a big hurry to wrap up another complex problem in simplistic bow.

I've wept for the children who died and the ones that survived. I marched at the capital in solidarity with them. They're remarkable kids who's lives are now being threatened by haters.

I'm hoping against hope that we are going to finally turn a corner on the violence that is destroying America. But, if we do, it won't be simple or easy.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

Easy for you to say. You overgeneralized by condemning "Broward" as cowards. You forgot about the Broward heroes.

Obviously my posts pointed at those armed deputies and their commanders who did nothing to protect these school children. If Scott Peterson was a hero, he would not have been fired.

And you rushed to judgment. Why the blame game? It's still being sorted out down here.
With such a reasoned response here, you really should be working at CNN or MSNBC. They have called Trump, every NRA member, every Republican, and all conservatives "murderers." Sound like a national blame game to me.

Right-wing Florida politicians like Governor Rick Scott are showing greater willingness to look at the facts than you. They're considering solutions they would have rejected out of hand 13 days ago.
Show me one thing I have said here not based on facts. Perhaps your problem is that you have not heard any facts on CNN for years.

The Florida legislature was going to vote on an "open carry" law on the Friday February 16 that was taken off the table the day after the Douglas High shooting. Who knows, they may finally do something that works.
I'm all for state laws. I believe in representative legislature for our republic.

This reminds me of your reaction to the Mueller investigation. You seem to be in a big hurry to wrap up another complex problem in simplistic bow.
Big hurry? It's been 16 months since I first heard about the Trump election collusion. How much time does Muller need? So far, he found nothing. Flynn busted for a process crime? Manafort and Gates busted for tax evasion years ago? WHERE"S THE D**N COLLUSION?

Meanwhile House Republicans have unearthed a mountain of corruption between the Democrats and the Russians. Comey is dirty. Strzok and Page are dirty. Bruce Ohr and his wife are dirty. McCabe is dirty. The list is growing daily.

I've wept for the children who died and the ones that survived. I marched at the capital in solidarity with them. They're remarkable kids who's lives are now being threatened by haters.
We are all crying for them, but the reason their lives were in danger are threefold:

• Obama-era “no-arrest policy” guideline for school discipline
• Total breakdown at the FBI
• Cowardice by Broward county deputies

I'm hoping against hope that we are going to finally turn a corner on the violence that is destroying America. But, if we do, it won't be simple or easy.
We need to start with our current Godless culture. God has been removed from schools, abortion is available on demand, breakdown of families, availability of drugs, violent video games and movies, etc.

[Ohio]

When Joel Pollak of Breitbart asked the following:

Mr. Speaker, let me ask you about the question of incompetence in the Broward County Sheriff’s Department. There’s this theory floating around out there that it wasn’t just incompetence, that this was the result of policy, and specifically a policy of not punishing students for behavioral problems, a policy of not exposing students to the criminal justice system, but rather trying to let them adjust socially and avoid consequences that could come to them down the road if they have problems in school, but essentially a hands-off policy in the police department. Is that something you’re looking into, as well?

Speaker of the Florida House of Representatives Richard Corcoran answered the following:

Not only are we looking into it, and not only is it part of the cause of our call for [Scott Israel’s] incompetence, in the legislation that we’re about to propose we’re doing away with what we call the “No-Arrest policy.” They call it something nice and flowery like the “PROMISE program.” It’s not a promise program. What it is is allowing kids who are constantly engaged in — it’s supposed to only be misdemeanor behavior, but how does the school personnel know if the law enforcement isn’t called? It’s felony behavior, and numerous of those felonies were alleged against [Nikolas Cruz]. Nothing was done because of this PROMISE policy, and as a result we have this tremendous tragedy that we’re all suffering through.

[Scott Israel is] investigating a deal that he made with the superintendent, that basically created under Obama a no-arrest policy. So he basically said, ‘Don’t tell me unless it’s a serious crime.’ Now we know that Cruz was bringing bullets, knives, all kinds of things to school. All of them were given to the Broward County Sheriff’s Office, nothing was done. And now he’s investigating whether that happened, too, after he basically entered into an agreement with the school board not to tell him.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Obviously my posts pointed at those armed deputies and their commanders who did nothing to protect these school children. If Scott Peterson was a hero, he would not have been fired.

And you rushed to judgment. Why the blame game? It's still being sorted out down here.
With such a reasoned response here, you really should be working at CNN or MSNBC. They have called Trump, every NRA member, every Republican, and all conservatives "murderers." Sound like a national blame game to me.

Right-wing Florida politicians like Governor Rick Scott are showing greater willingness to look at the facts than you. They're considering solutions they would have rejected out of hand 13 days ago.
Show me one thing I have said here not based on facts. Perhaps your problem is that you have not heard any facts on CNN for years.

The Florida legislature was going to vote on an "open carry" law on the Friday February 16 that was taken off the table the day after the Douglas High shooting. Who knows, they may finally do something that works.
I'm all for state laws. I believe in representative legislature for our republic.

This reminds me of your reaction to the Mueller investigation. You seem to be in a big hurry to wrap up another complex problem in simplistic bow.
Big hurry? It's been 16 months since I first heard about the Trump election collusion. How much time does Muller need? So far, he found nothing. Flynn busted for a process crime? Manafort and Gates busted for tax evasion years ago? WHERE"S THE D**N COLLUSION?

Meanwhile House Republicans have unearthed a mountain of corruption between the Democrats and the Russians. Comey is dirty. Strzok and Page are dirty. Bruce Ohr and his wife are dirty. McCabe is dirty. The list is growing daily.

I've wept for the children who died and the ones that survived. I marched at the capital in solidarity with them. They're remarkable kids who's lives are now being threatened by haters.
We are all crying for them, but the reason their lives were in danger are threefold:

• Obama-era “no-arrest policy” guideline for school discipline
• Total breakdown at the FBI
• Cowardice by Broward county deputies

I'm hoping against hope that we are going to finally turn a corner on the violence that is destroying America. But, if we do, it won't be simple or easy.
We need to start with our current Godless culture. God has been removed from schools, abortion is available on demand, breakdown of families, availability of drugs, violent video games and movies, etc.

So far, the known indictments and plea deals in Mueller’s probe are as follows:

1) George Papadopoulos, former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, pleaded guilty in October to making false statements to the FBI.

2) Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser, pleaded guilty in December to making false statements to the FBI.


3) Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chair, was indicted in October in Washington, DC on charges of conspiracy, money laundering, false statements, and failure to disclose foreign assets — all related to his work for Ukrainian politicians before he joined the Trump campaign. He’s pleaded not guilty on all counts. Then, last Thursday, Mueller filed a new case against him in Virginia, with tax, financial, and bank fraud charges.

4) Rick Gates, a former Trump campaign aide and Manafort’s longtime junior business partner, was similarly indicted on conspiracy, money laundering, and false statements charges in Washington, and a plethora of new tax and financial charges this Thursday in Virginia. But he has now agreed to a plea deal with Mueller’s team, pleading guilty to just one false statements charge and one conspiracy charge.

5-20) 13 Russian nationals and three Russian companies were indicted on conspiracy charges, with some also being accused of identity theft. The charges related to a Russian propaganda effort designed to interfere with the 2016 campaign. The companies involved are the Internet Research Agency, often described as a “Russian troll farm,” and two other companies that helped finance it. The Russian nationals indicted include 12 of the agency’s employees and its alleged financier, Yevgeny Prigozhin.

21) Richard Pinedo: This California man pleaded guilty to an identity theft charge in connection with the Russian indictments, and has agreed to cooperate with Mueller.

22) Alex van der Zwaan: This London lawyer pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI about his contacts with Rick Gates and another unnamed person based in Ukraine. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...nts-grand-jury

Be patient. Special Prosecutor Kenneth Starr investigated Bill Clinton from 1994 thru 1998. These things take time. Mueller might just be getting started.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

So far, the known indictments and plea deals in Mueller’s probe are as follows:

1) George Papadopoulos, former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, pleaded guilty in October to making false statements to the FBI.

2) Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser, pleaded guilty in December to making false statements to the FBI.

Be patient. Special Prosecutor Kenneth Starr investigated Bill Clinton from 1994 thru 1998. These things take time.

zeek, I really wish you could step back and look at this objectively. Muller indicted 13 Russian trollbots -- are you serious? Any idea how much laughter and vodka has been consumed since this was announced in Moscow?

General Flynn's plea was not even perjury, he supposedly lied to sleazy agent Peter Strzok while not even under oath and without legal representation. Let's see if Flynn's conviction is overturned by Judge Sullivan after Judge Contreras was recused from the case for his connection to the FISA warrant. Flynn's was a process crime -- in other words he did nothing wrong until FBI agents started interrogating him. Facing bankruptcy and threats to his family, he pleaded out.

zeek, let me warn you of the constitutional dangers here. Do you realize that federal prosecutors could do the same to ANYBODY including you. The framers protected us from these government abuses by providing the right to a trial before peers, yet this has mostly been discarded. Supposedly you are innocent until proven guilty, but what if you cannot afford to defend yourself? Obviously Muller has unlimited funds and assets.

Glad you brought up Kenneth Starr. This whole thing with Muller is payback for the Clinton's. And here we see the dangers of a special prosecutor. Starr was to investigate Whitewater investments, and found nothing he could prosecute. So, he should have been shut down. But no! It's a legal hit squad thirsty for blood. There's no stopping them. Starr dragged the whole country thru his seedy tabloid witch hunt. They found a blue dress, and declared "we got him."

Patience, you say? Muller will never end. Forget election collusion with the Russians. Muller is a paid thug to take down a democratically elected President. How do I know? Because McCabe appointed him, and it has been proven that McCabe used the dirty dossier in the secret FISA court.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

zeek, I really wish you could step back and look at this objectively. Muller indicted 13 Russian trollbots -- are you serious? Any idea how much laughter and vodka has been consumed since this was announced in Moscow?

They're laughing cuz they got their chump Trump elected.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

They're laughing cuz they got their chump Trump elected.

That defies all logic. Why would they not prefer "Russian Reset" Bill and Hilary? They arranged for Putin to obtain 20% of our Uranium. Under Obama and Clinton, the Russians have for the first time begun to expand again -- Crimea, Ukraine, Syria.

zeek, you really ought to think things through. Just because you hate Trump, don't think our enemies do too.