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Old 03-16-2018, 08:14 AM   #1
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We have had this discussion before. Collusion is a very difficult thing to prove. First you have to prove that the Russians influenced the election with the purpose of aiding Trump. That has been proved.

Then you have to prove that Trump's campaign contacted and met with the Russians. That has been proved.

Finally, you have to prove they colluded. Very difficult if not impossible to prove and as far as I am concerned trivial. What is much easier to prove is if Trump has received financial assistance from Russia and whether or not that gives them leverage. We do these kind of investigations on every single person who wants a security clearance. The only exception is the president. I have no problem with investigating him since he has refused to show us his tax returns and has refused to put his assets in a blind trust.

My point in using the Hitler reference was not to infer a similarity with Trump but to agree with you that Obama's statement was foolish. Any intelligent person should realize that democracies are prone to having their elections hacked.
It was also proved that Russia aided the Clintons, and that Clinto contacted the Russians.

Why has Muller not investigated any of that? Why was his investigative team so biased? Why were his conflicts of interest not important? Why is he not examining FISA abuses? Why has he not prosecuted Comey for leaks? Why did he not prosecute Lynch for meeting Clinton on the tarmac? Why did he not prosecute Steele? Why did he not prosecute McCabe for deceiving the FISA judges? Why did he not prosecute Bruce and Nellie Ohr? Why did he not prosecute the Uranium One corruption?

This list is endless. But that don't seem to bother you. No prosecutor ever opens a case unless there is first evidence of a crime, but in this case the only "crime" is that Trump won. I find it extremely hard to reconcile your bias here with your forensics background. The two are simply incompatible.
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What qualified, talented individual in his/her right mind would go to work for Donald Drumpf where they can expected to be abused and dismissed with a tweet without a moment's notice?
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What qualified, talented individual in his/her right mind would go to work for Donald Drumpf where they can expected to be abused and dismissed with a tweet without a moment's notice?
Happens all the time in private industry.
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Happens all the time in private industry.
It's true that when a business is failing in private industry they often do lay people off and the Trump Administration is failing in so many ways. If only he would fire himself, he would get to the root of the problem.
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It was also proved that Russia aided the Clintons, and that Clinto contacted the Russians.

Why has Muller not investigated any of that? Why was his investigative team so biased? Why were his conflicts of interest not important? Why is he not examining FISA abuses? Why has he not prosecuted Comey for leaks? Why did he not prosecute Lynch for meeting Clinton on the tarmac? Why did he not prosecute Steele? Why did he not prosecute McCabe for deceiving the FISA judges? Why did he not prosecute Bruce and Nellie Ohr? Why did he not prosecute the Uranium One corruption?

This list is endless. But that don't seem to bother you. No prosecutor ever opens a case unless there is first evidence of a crime, but in this case the only "crime" is that Trump won. I find it extremely hard to reconcile your bias here with your forensics background. The two are simply incompatible.
Mueller is not the FBI, the FBI would be responsible for investigating any and all domestic crimes.

The reason I don't seem bothered is that the Republicans control both houses and the executive branch. The president can direct his Justice department to investigate and they can investigate. You keep crying like the Republicans can't do any of this. That is so phony it is mind boggling.
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"“Never has a party abandoned and fled its principles and deeply held beliefs so quickly as my party did in the face of the nativist juggernaut,” Flake said on Thursday in a speech to the National Press Club" - Sen. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.)
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"“Never has a party abandoned and fled its principles and deeply held beliefs so quickly as my party did in the face of the nativist juggernaut,” Flake said on Thursday in a speech to the National Press Club" - Sen. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.)
What Party is Flake speaking for? Not conservatives nor Republicans. He is grossly at odds with his own constituents and former Governor Brewer who stood up to Obama over immigration. That's why he is no longer running for the Senate.

Nativism: "the policy of protecting the interests of native-born or established inhabitants against those of immigrants." I would ask, which illegal alien elected politicians to office? Since when do illegal aliens have more rights than the citizens of our country?

Liberalism: "those who steal the right to life of innocent unborn babies and give it to criminal illegal aliens."

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What Party is Flake speaking for? Not conservatives nor Republicans. He is grossly at odds with his own constituents and former Governor Brewer who stood up to Obama over immigration. That's why he is no longer running for the Senate.

Nativism: "the policy of protecting the interests of native-born or established inhabitants against those of immigrants." I would ask, which illegal alien elected politicians to office? Since when do illegal aliens have more rights than the citizens of our country?

Liberalism: "those who steal the right to life of innocent unborn babies and give it to criminal illegal aliens."

Build the Wall!
You're a funny guy bro Ohio. And the wall is just one of Trump's rash impulsive and foolish harebrained ideas. Why wall off our neighbors, that Jesus commands us to love.

Let's wall off Trump instead.
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You're a funny guy bro Ohio. And the wall is just one of Trump's rash impulsive and foolish harebrained ideas. Why wall off our neighbors, that Jesus commands us to love.

Let's wall off Trump instead.
Yer a funny guy too.

Yer loving Muslim Obama voted against the Wall before he voted for it.

Liberals are against Trump just to oppose him. It's as fashionable as bell-bottom pants.

Why don't you go back to the nation of Israel and see what God said about evil foreigners invading their country? Israel has a great wall too.
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Yer a funny guy too.

Yer loving Muslim Obama voted against the Wall before he voted for it.

Liberals are against Trump just to oppose him. It's as fashionable as bell-bottom pants.

Why don't you go back to the nation of Israel and see what God said about evil foreigners invading their country? Israel has a great wall too.
But Israel could care less about Jesus, and his stupid sermon on the mount ... or the two great commandments ... like you're suppose to.
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Mueller is not the FBI, the FBI would be responsible for investigating any and all domestic crimes.

The reason I don't seem bothered is that the Republicans control both houses and the executive branch. The president can direct his Justice department to investigate and they can investigate. You keep crying like the Republicans can't do any of this. That is so phony it is mind boggling.
Only Muller has prosecutorial subpoena power.

Trump's DOJ IG does not. The House does not. The Senate does not.
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Only Muller has prosecutorial subpoena power.

Trump's DOJ IG does not. The House does not. The Senate does not.
Sessions has already said that the DOJ would investigate the possible FISA violations that Trump has claimed. No doubt, if the DOJ finds any evidence they can then justify the appointment of a special prosecutor with subpoena power.

The complaint about "why isn't there a special prosecutor for these supposed violations" is not a complaint to me, it is a complaint to the DOJ in Trump's administration. At what point will the buck stop with him?
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Sessions has already said that the DOJ would investigate the possible FISA violations that Trump has claimed. No doubt, if the DOJ finds any evidence they can then justify the appointment of a special prosecutor with subpoena power.

The complaint about "why isn't there a special prosecutor for these supposed violations" is not a complaint to me, it is a complaint to the DOJ in Trump's administration. At what point will the buck stop with him?
It's all a drip, drip, drip of new info almost daily.

Now we learn that Peter Strzok, who was at the center of Hillary's exoneration, Flynn's conviction of lying, the Steele Dossier, etc. is a friend of the FISA Judge Contrerasand attempted to influence him.

Why no Muller justice for him? Because they are all on your team, the Hate Trump team.
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It's all a drip, drip, drip of new info almost daily.

Now we learn that Peter Strzok, who was at the center of Hillary's exoneration, Flynn's conviction of lying, the Steele Dossier, etc. is a friend of the FISA Judge Contrerasand attempted to influence him.

Why no Muller justice for him? Because they are all on your team, the Hate Trump team.
You may be right. Initially my attitude was indifference. I didn't vote for Trump, but the country did, he was the president, I supported him. But like you said, every day it is tweet, tweet, tweet. Prostitutes lining up, foul, obnoxious tweets, repulsive behavior. Yes, I probably am on the Hate Trump team now.
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You may be right. Initially my attitude was indifference. I didn't vote for Trump, but the country did, he was the president, I supported him. But like you said, every day it is tweet, tweet, tweet. Prostitutes lining up, foul, obnoxious tweets, repulsive behavior. Yes, I probably am on the Hate Trump team now.
Ever consider that much of the Trump counter-punching "tweets" would never have been needed had Trump not been so falsely accused of collusion and facing an endless smear campaign?
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Just wanted to stop by for a minute during the snowstorm ...

Not trying to persuade anyone here, just posting for the record, answering some questions I asked a while back.
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  • Why has Muller not investigated any of that?
  • Why was his investigative team so biased?
  • Why were his conflicts of interest not important?
  • Why is he not examining FISA abuses?
  • Why has he not prosecuted Comey for leaks?
  • Why did he not prosecute Lynch for meeting Clinton on the tarmac?
  • Why did he not prosecute Steele?
  • Why did he not prosecute McCabe for deceiving the FISA judges?
  • Why did he not prosecute Bruce and Nellie Ohr?
  • Why did he not prosecute the Uranium One corruption?
So many questions. Special council made no sense. Everybody said Muller was clean, reputation was impeccable. For God's sake, he's a Republican!

Finally the answer comes to light. Starting to all make sense, and understand the answers why.

Today Sara Carter broke the story connecting Muller with the filthiest chapter in FBI history surrounding Whitey Bulger in Boston.

Imagine that! It all makes sense now.
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John McCain spoke for me when he said "An American president does not lead the Free World by congratulating dictators on winning sham elections."
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John McCain spoke for me when he said "An American president does not lead the Free World by congratulating dictators on winning sham elections."
But Obama placing an embassy in Havana "rewarded" Castro for free and democratic elections?

And Putin given the "Russian Reset" by Hillary was a reward for benevolent works of humanitarian compassion?

Oh the stench of hypocrisy emanating from the creatures of the swamp!
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But Obama placing an embassy in Havana "rewarded" Castro for free and democratic elections?

And Putin given the "Russian Reset" by Hillary was a reward for benevolent works of humanitarian compassion?

Oh the stench of hypocrisy emanating from the creatures of the swamp!
Now you got me completely confused. Are you saying that Trump's congratulation of Putin is similar to Obama's conciliation with Cuba and that instead of condemning Obama Trump is now one with Obama? So is the "stench of hypocrisy" referring to Trump condemning Obama and Clinton and yet congratulating Putin?
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John McCain spoke for me when he said "An American president does not lead the Free World by congratulating dictators on winning sham elections."
Trump called and congratulated Kim as well, probably, or he should, if he wants to make a thing of this. The Leader of the Free World is showing everyone that he has the freedom to meet dictators if he wants to.
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Just wanted to stop by for a minute during the snowstorm ...

Not trying to persuade anyone here, just posting for the record, answering some questions I asked a while back.

So many questions. Special council made no sense. Everybody said Muller was clean, reputation was impeccable. For God's sake, he's a Republican!

Finally the answer comes to light. Starting to all make sense, and understand the answers why.

Today Sara Carter broke the story connecting Muller with the filthiest chapter in FBI history surrounding Whitey Bulger in Boston.

Imagine that! It all makes sense now.
And rain is a conspiracy of the umbrella makers.
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Fox News military analyst quits after a decade saying he is 'ashamed' of the network while calling it a 'propaganda machine for President Trump'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-ashamed.html
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Fox News military analyst quits after a decade saying he is 'ashamed' of the network while calling it a 'propaganda machine for President Trump'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-ashamed.html
Wait a moment while Ohio gathers dirt on the guy.
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Wait a moment while Ohio gathers dirt on the guy.
So Sessions fired McCabe for "lack of candor". If "lack of candor" is a fireable offense then doesn't that mean we can fire Sessions and Trump?

Also, I think that note about "DO NOT CONGRATULATE PUTIN" was mean and tricky. If that note was put next to a plate of donuts, Trump could have easily misunderstood it to mean, "Donut, Congratulate Putin". We know his grasp of English is not great. What would cause his closest advisors to be so mean and show so little loyalty to him that they would leak this?
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So Sessions fired McCabe for "lack of candor". If "lack of candor" is a fireable offense then doesn't that mean we can fire Sessions and Trump?

Also, I think that note about "DO NOT CONGRATULATE PUTIN" was mean and tricky. If that note was put next to a plate of donuts, Trump could have easily misunderstood it to mean, "Donut, Congratulate Putin". We know his grasp of English is not great. What would cause his closest advisors to be so mean and show so little loyalty to him that they would leak this?
Whoever leaked it wanted to show what a dumb ass he is.

Also, McCabe oversaw criminal investigation of Sessions.
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