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[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

But you caucus with the progressives.

Hogwash. I caucus with no one. Sure I don't caucus with Fox, like you. But neither do I caucus with MSNBC, or any other of the news stations. My main news source is Mail Online, and also Drudge Report. Other than that I comb the web, not aligning with left or right reports, but doing my best to see thru biases I find in all of them.

In other words, I caucus with none of them, like you do with your 'right' sources. So you accuse me of what you are doing. You are the one that caucuses. That's why you have to say I do.

I will admit tho. If being a Christian means being a Trump supporter, then I'm not a Christian. At least not that type. Cuz Trump represents no Christian values, no family values, and no Christian morals. Trump is bamboozling Christians.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Hogwash. I caucus with no one. Sure I don't caucus with Fox, like you. But neither do I caucus with MSNBC, or any other of the news stations. My main news source is Mail Online, and also Drudge Report. Other than that I comb the web, not aligning with left or right reports, but doing my best to see thru biases I find in all of them.

In other words, I caucus with none of them, like you do with your 'right' sources. So you accuse me of what you are doing. You are the one that caucuses. That's why you have to say I do.

I will admit tho. If being a Christian means being a Trump supporter, then I'm not a Christian. At least not that type. Cuz Trump represents no Christian values, no family values, and no Christian morals. Trump is bamboozling Christians.

You say you have no attachment to progressives, yet your views are identical to theirs. You say that you also read conservative sources, yet your views reflect none of theirs.

Why do you worry about Christians so much? Why do you obsess about who they like or don't like? You are convinced that all Christians are fools anyway, so why do you care if they are deceived? Haven't you said repeatedly that Christians have been fooled by a book full of errors?

Freedom of speech means that we give others the right to believe things which we would consider both stupid and wrong. You seem to be unable to accept that.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

If being a Christian means being a Trump supporter, then I'm not a Christian.

Every time you and Zeek repeat this drivel you provide evidence for the "fake news".

1. The article that Zeek provided didn't say Christians support Trump. It didn't say Catholics, or Protestants, or even Evangelicals support Trump.

What it said is that a very strange group they refer to as "White Evangelicals" that adhere to a Christian Nationalist doctrine support Trump.

I have met with many Evangelical groups and they have always been very diverse with whites always being a minority or at the very least not a majority.

If you characterize the LRC as Evangelical then that would have been the whitest Evangelicals I ever met with, yet Chinese and Asians were the majority of that group (when viewed as a worldwide organization and not locally).

But in none of these groups was the US being a Christian Nation ever some kind of doctrine that we adhered to.

What is exceedingly clear is that they did not say that Christians support Trump because Protestants and Catholics and non white Evangelicals would be the lion share of that in the US.

Rather it is white nationalists that identify as Evangelical -- i.e. White supremacists, Brown Shirts, or Nazis. But instead of saying that KKK and Nazis support Trump they want to insinuate that Evangelical Christians support him. This narrative is a confirmation of what Ohio has been preaching about HC BO being the high priest and priestess of some anti Christians political movement.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Every time you and Zeek repeat this drivel you provide evidence for the "fake news".

1. The article that Zeek provided didn't say Christians support Trump. It didn't say Catholics, or Protestants, or even Evangelicals support Trump.

What it said is that a very strange group they refer to as "White Evangelicals" that adhere to a Christian Nationalist doctrine support Trump.

I have met with many Evangelical groups and they have always been very diverse with whites always being a minority or at the very least not a majority.

If you characterize the LRC as Evangelical then that would have been the whitest Evangelicals I ever met with, yet Chinese and Asians were the majority of that group (when viewed as a worldwide organization and not locally).

But in none of these groups was the US being a Christian Nation ever some kind of doctrine that we adhered to.

What is exceedingly clear is that they did not say that Christians support Trump because Protestants and Catholics and non white Evangelicals would be the lion share of that in the US.

Rather it is white nationalists that identify as Evangelical -- i.e. White supremacists, Brown Shirts, or Nazis. But instead of saying that KKK and Nazis support Trump they want to insinuate that Evangelical Christians support him. This narrative is a confirmation of what Ohio has been preaching about HC BO being the high priest and priestess of some anti Christians political movement.

Brother ZNP, your experience is limited. And obviously you haven't been keeping up with Evangelicals and their support of Trump.

If I were you, I'd drop your defensiveness, and start with David Barton of The Wallbuilders. Then I'd look into Franklin Graham III, and Jerry Falwell Jr.. Cuz it's well known that over 80% of Evangelicals voted for Trump.

I get it. You're in the minority, and are shamed by that fact. That's why you are so defensive. If I considered myself to be a Evangelical I'd be defensive too. Thank God I'm not. Sorry for you. They're giving you a bad name.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

Brother ZNP, your experience is limited. And obviously you haven't been keeping up with Evangelicals and their support of Trump.

If I were you, I'd drop your defensiveness, and start with David Barton of The Wallbuilders. Then I'd look into Franklin Graham III, and Jerry Falwell Jr.. Cuz it's well known that over 80% of Evangelicals voted for Trump.

I get it. You're in the minority, and are shamed by that fact. That's why you are so defensive. If I considered myself to be a Evangelical I'd be defensive too. Thank God I'm not. Sorry for you. They're giving you a bad name.

http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/

70% of Americans identify as Christian

Approximately 1/3 of those who identify as Christian identify as Evangelical.

Approximately 1/5th of these Evangelical Christians are white. (https://www.religionnews.com/2017/09...s-study-shows/)

That means 1/15th of Christians in the US identify as “White Evangelical”. However, the criteria is even more specific including this concept of the US being a “christian nation”. Therefore, I find it quite reasonable to suggest we are talking about less than 5% of Christians in the US. That may be a large number, but remember, only 78% of that number supports Trump, so then we are really talking about 4% of Christians in the US.

Yet you take that article to smear all Evangelicals and all Christians.

That is the definition of using statistics to lie. Sorry for you.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Yet you take that article to smear all Evangelicals and all Christians.

That is the definition of using statistics to lie. Sorry for you.

I know how much awareness likes Mark Twain, and you know what he said about statistics.

[Ohio]

Being a Native American Evangelical who supports Trump, I have no illusions that he is worthy to be my pastor. For me it's about policy, knowing that the alternative was far, far worse.

But since ZNP has brought up fake news, why is it that so many still hate Trump when one story after another has been debunked over time?

Remember last year "Russia, Russia, Russia?" Move along folks, nothing here to see.

The explanation for much of "Trump hate" has a lot to do with the endless lopsided smear campaign orchestrated by our media. Yesterday I watched a video clip of Paula Jones and Juanita Broaddrick, who were raped and molested by WJC. They were lied about, ridiculed, slandered, and had their reputations destroyed. By who? Every single media outlet except Fox. Yet today all these same outlets are showcasing Pornstars to attack Trump.

The media knows why they are all doing this. They are "meddling" with our next election by changing viewers minds. They are doing far more than Russia could ever hope to do.

ZNP says he only judges Trump on his own actions. But are not much of them just a retaliation for personal attacks? Neither Clinton nor Obama were ever assaulted like Trump has been, even Jimmy Carter admitted this, so we never got to see how they would act under such pressure.

Perhaps many of my other Native American Evangelicals also see thru the media lies.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Being a Native American Evangelical who supports Trump, I have no illusions that he is worthy to be my pastor. For me it's about policy, knowing that the alternative was far, far worse.

But since ZNP has brought up fake news, why is it that so many still hate Trump when one story after another has been debunked over time?

Remember last year "Russia, Russia, Russia?" Move along folks, nothing here to see.

The explanation for much of "Trump hate" has a lot to do with the endless lopsided smear campaign orchestrated by our media. Yesterday I watched a video clip of Paula Jones and Juanita Broaddrick, who were raped and molested by WJC. They were lied about, ridiculed, slandered, and had their reputations destroyed. By who? Every single media outlet except Fox. Yet today all these same outlets are showcasing Pornstars to attack Trump.

The media knows why they are all doing this. They are "meddling" with our next election by changing viewers minds. They are doing far more than Russia could ever hope to do.

ZNP says he only judges Trump on his own actions. But are not much of them just a retaliation for personal attacks? Neither Clinton nor Obama were ever assaulted like Trump has been, even Jimmy Carter admitted this, so we never got to see how they would act under such pressure.

Perhaps many of my other Native American Evangelicals also see thru the media lies.

Almost. Actually you're a Nativist American. Nativists champion the purported interests of American citizens over those of immigrants, justifying their hostility to immigrants by the use of derogatory stereotypes.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Being a Native American Evangelical who supports Trump, I have no illusions that he is worthy to be my pastor. For me it's about policy, knowing that the alternative was far, far worse.

But since ZNP has brought up fake news, why is it that so many still hate Trump when one story after another has been debunked over time?

Remember last year "Russia, Russia, Russia?" Move along folks, nothing here to see.

The explanation for much of "Trump hate" has a lot to do with the endless lopsided smear campaign orchestrated by our media. Yesterday I watched a video clip of Paula Jones and Juanita Broaddrick, who were raped and molested by WJC. They were lied about, ridiculed, slandered, and had their reputations destroyed. By who? Every single media outlet except Fox. Yet today all these same outlets are showcasing Pornstars to attack Trump.

The media knows why they are all doing this. They are "meddling" with our next election by changing viewers minds. They are doing far more than Russia could ever hope to do.

ZNP says he only judges Trump on his own actions. But are not much of them just a retaliation for personal attacks? Neither Clinton nor Obama were ever assaulted like Trump has been, even Jimmy Carter admitted this, so we never got to see how they would act under such pressure.

Perhaps many of my other Native American Evangelicals also see thru the media lies.

I am currently reading a book about Hitler and I was struck by how his party was against democracy because they had no chance at winning by an election. Therefore they attacked Democracy as a western import, focused on returning to the glory days which also included rule by a king. Today what we see is an attempt to destroy discourse with wild attacks from both sides.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Being a Native American Evangelical who supports Trump, I have no illusions that he is worthy to be my pastor. For me it's about policy, knowing that the alternative was far, far worse.

I don't know about worse ... but not very good. And as far as policy, I know, I know, abortion and Israel. You'd vote for Satan if he promised those policies to you. Why? Cuz those are issues Jesus spent chapter after chapter on. His teaching against abortion was longer than the sermon on the mount. And the temple? Well he said he'd destroy it and rebuild it 2000 years later ... thru Trump.

[zeek]

Ohio and ZNP feel persecuted. Now here's a case where a child is actually reported to be persecuted for her Christian faith:

ABUJA, Nigeria — Leah Sharibu likes biology, hanging out with friends and wants to be a doctor. The 15-year-old who was among the group of schoolgirls kidnapped by Boko Haram last month is the only one still being held by the militants — because she refused to convert to Islam.

“My daughter is alive, but they wouldn't release her because she is a Christian,” her father Nathan Sharibu said Monday. “They told her they would release her if she converted, but she said she will never become a Muslim. I am very sad, but I am also overjoyed because my daughter did not denounce Christ.”

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ian/460554002/

[awareness]

As an aside.

Trump is famous for giving nicknames. Well he's got one going around on Capital Hill. They're calling him Spanky.