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Originally Posted by Drake

The scriptural evidence is the very verse you quoted 2 Peter 2:1.

"....But there arose false prophets also among the people, as among you also there shall be false teachers, who shall secretly bring in destructive heresies, denying even the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction."

The ones who brought in destructive heresies were among them, and denying the Lord.

That is why I say we should discriminate between the world powers and their outward exercise of power (the vision of the statue in Daniel, the time of the gentiles) from the heresies that are brought in by false teachers who are in the church, operating secretly, and deny the Lord.

Without making a distinction between the two you will amalgamate politics and church orthodoxy.

Drake

If Hitler portrays himself as "savior" isn't that a denial of the Lord who bought us?

If Nazi leaders say we need to pray to Hitler and not God, isn't that a denial of the Lord who bought us?

Caesar Nero is the type given to us of the Antichrist, how does that type suggest that we should distinguish between government rulers and the church?

The value, to me, in studying Hitler is any insight it gives on identifying the Antichrist and the "many antichrists" that John refers to. From my understanding the Antichrist will be a political leader -- therefore it seems counterproductive to pretend they operate in a different sphere wholly separate from false prophets.

The mouth of Antichrist is one of its leading characteristics. (Expanded Biblical Comments — Commentary of the Old and New Testament by Charles Taze Russell)

It seems to me that these titles are equally applicable to both Nero and Hitler.

1. The Bloody and Deceitful man.
- Psalms 5:6 (KJV) Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.

2. The Wicked One.
- Psalms 10:3-4 (KJV) 3 For the wicked boasteth of his heart's desire, and blesseth the covetous, whom the LORD abhorreth. 4 The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will not seek after God: God is not in all his thoughts.

3. The Man of the Earth.
- Psalms 10:18 (KJV) To judge the fatherless and the oppressed, that the man of the earth may no more oppress.

4. The Mighty Man.
- Psalms 52:1 (KJV) Why boastest thou thyself in mischief, O mighty man? the goodness of God endureth continually.

5. The Enemy.
- Psalms 55:3 (KJV) Because of the voice of the enemy, because of the oppression of the wicked: for they cast iniquity upon me, and in wrath they hate me.

6. The Adversary.
- Psalms 74:10 (KJV) O God, how long shall the adversary reproach? shall the enemy blaspheme thy name for ever?

7. The Violent Man.
- Psalms 140:1 (KJV) Deliver me, O LORD, from the evil man: preserve me from the violent man;

8. The Spoiler.
- Isaiah 16:4 Let mine outcasts dwell with thee, Moab; be thou a covert to them from the face of the spoiler: for the extortioner is at an end, the spoiler ceaseth, the oppressors are consumed out of the land.

9. The Profane and Wicked Prince.
- Ezekiel 21:25 And thou, profane wicked prince of Israel, whose day is come, when iniquity shall have an end,

10. The Little Horn.
- Daniel 7:8 (KJV) I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

11. The Prince that Shall come.
- Daniel 9:26 (KJV) And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

12. The Vile Person.
- Daniel 11:21 (KJV) And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.

13. The Willful King.
- Daniel 11:36 (KJV) And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

14. The Man of Sin.
- 2 Thessalonians 2:3 (KJV) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

15. The Son of Perdition.
- 2 Thessalonians 2:3 (KJV) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

16. The Lawless One.
- 2 Thessalonians 2:9 (KJV) Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

17. The Antichrist.
- 1 John 2:22 (KJV) Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

18. The Beast.
- Revelation 11:7 (KJV) And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
- Revelation 13:1 (KJV) And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.