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Old 04-21-2018, 05:45 PM   #1
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Why don't you mention all the investigations going on concerning Comey, McCabe, Strzok, Page, Lynch, Clinton, etc.?
Because it wasn't relevant to the DNC suit.

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Muller has nothing on the Trump administration other that he likes his women pretty. Salacious for sure, but not illegal, and not abusive.
Mueller has not revealed what he has.

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And remember, when you are "up to your neck in alligators," your original objective was to "drain the swamp," iow Muller was assigned to investigate election collusion, and there is none. This proves that his entire investigation, fueled by Rosenstein, Strzok, and others, was never about "collusion," rather it was a deep state coup.
We have already discussed all the pieces to prove that puzzle. I'll wait until his investigation is over to make any conclusions about what evidence he does or does not have and what did or did not happen. But since you like reading tea leaves and Awareness likes studying the stars, I'll let you know how I read the situation.

I think the indictment of Cohen caught Trump by surprise, so no information is being leaked from Mueller's investigation. Trump appeared very concerned by this and I think the recent addition of Rudy G to his team is an expression of that concern as well as his signaling his willingness to pardon reprehensible criminals. I expect Cohen to be indicted on very serious felonies. I don't think a judge would have authorized electronic surveillance without real information of a possible felony. I think that Mueller learned of Cohen's intention to destroy evidence of a crime, which is why he revealed the wire tap. I think that the NY DA now has a treasure trove of documents, tapes, and the fruit of months of electronic surveillance that should have Trump's lawyers terrified. However, I expect it could take a month to go through everything they have seized, maybe two months and they will not want to question witnesses or write an indictment until they have had a chance to go through everything.

Now I expect that one of the nuggets that they will find is that Trump lied about his assets to a number of lenders that he later declared bankruptcy to. Therefore every single creditor that lost money in loans to Trump may decide to sue him for fraud.

I also expect that Cohen could be looking at more than 20 years, a very strong incentive to flip. If he confirms Stormy Daniels story about being threatened and that this was part of the Trump modis operandi then he could be charged with extortion and racketeering. If Cohen was going to destroy documents that would be obstruction of justice and who knows, Trump could be tied to that.

In short, I could envision Trump being embroiled in a multitude of lawsuits as well as criminal trials. This would certainly rise to the level of "high crimes and misdemeanors". So keeping impeachment off the table will depend on the Midterms. Unfortunately for Trump it looks like we will be seeing a steady stream of revelations, indictments, and lawsuits from now until November.

Finally, I don't think you are considering the full picture revealed by these polls. When Trump won the election he didn't have a majority of votes and the democrats were split between Clinton supporters and Bernie supporters who felt betrayed by Clinton. Trump won as much due to voters staying home as he did by his base. But from my very unscientific polling of the democratic electorate they are highly motivated to show up and vote this time, much more so than last time.
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Old 04-22-2018, 11:24 AM   #2
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The federal statute prohibiting bank fraud makes it a crime knowingly to obtain by false pretenses funds under the control or custody of a financial institution. (Essentials of Business Law and the Legal Environment, by Richard A. Mann, Barry S. Roberts)

Referred to as state-corporate crime, these violations include fraud in taxation, bank loans, and mortgages (Crime and Punishment in America: An Encyclopedia of Trends in Controversies in the Justice System, by Laura L. Finley)

Offenses that will result in disqualification as a bidder include loan kickbacks, theft or embezzlement by bank personnel or federal regulators, false bank entries, fraud on the FDIC, concealment of assets, certain types of mail fraud, and bank fraud. (Banks and Thrifts: Government Enforcement and Receivership by Barry S. Zisman)

In the United States, according to their judicial code, a person found guilty of committing the offense of fraud or a swindle is liable to a punishment of an imprisonment term of up to 20 years, a fine, or both (Legal Information Institute, 2008). (The Psychology of Criminal and Antisocial Behavior: Victim and Offender by Wayne Petherick, Grant Cinnamon)
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Old 04-24-2018, 09:48 AM   #3
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Cal Thomas: Are today's Evangelicals following Jesus or following Trump?

"“No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other.” (Matthew 6:24)

The verse refers to money, but in light of today’s debate about the unaccountable devotion many Christian leaders have for President Trump it is not a stretch to apply it to their relationship with him."

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/...ing-trump.html
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Old 04-24-2018, 11:12 AM   #4
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Cal Thomas: Are today's Evangelicals following Jesus or following Trump?

"“No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other.” (Matthew 6:24)

The verse refers to money, but in light of today’s debate about the unaccountable devotion many Christian leaders have for President Trump it is not a stretch to apply it to their relationship with him."

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/...ing-trump.html
I think I have been quite strict in my critique of Trump. But if you ask me "do you disapprove or approve of his job in office" that is a very different question.

1. It has nothing to do with Mueller who has not brought a single charge against him.

2. It has nothing to do with Stormy Daniels who has not alleged a single incident while Trump has been president. Nothing to do with Cohen.

These polls are easy to manipulate and it is quite obvious that the "fake news" is attempting to discredit christians. Not only do they insinuate that approval for Trump's job equates to approval for his behavior prior to being president. They also slide over the fact that these polls identified "white evangelicals" obviously different from red, black, brown and yellow evangelicals. Yet they don't mention that this only refers to about 6% of those who identify as evangelical.

The real poll is the Roy Moore election -- clearly Trump's base which is supposed to be quite strong there did not respond to him. The real poll will be in November.
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Our resident quack named Drake today compared Prof Nigel Tomes to Maxine Waters.

We should all take a quick look at Mad Max "Peach Foty Fi" at her SOTU address.
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Old 04-28-2018, 09:17 AM   #6
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Our resident quack named Drake today compared Prof Nigel Tomes to Maxine Waters.

We should all take a quick look at Mad Max "Peach Foty Fi" at her SOTU address.
That's some crazy manure. If ya get my drift? Isn't that from the movie Idiocracy? by the maker of Beavis and Butt-Head? It was a funny movie.

I suppose idiocracy is a shot at Maxine. And you took a shot a bro Drake.

Hey, two birdies with one stone -- mother Mary - ye without sin. Two for two.

You could have at least told us where bro Drake related Tomes to Waters. I'd like to see his reasoning on that. I don't know, but is he a deplorable?
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Recently zeek post this on the Bible v Science thread. I copied it to here :

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A geologist on why Kim Jong-un may have halted nuclear testing program in North Korea. https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevorn.../#7838212064c2

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A geologist on why Kim Jong-un may have halted nuclear testing program in North Korea. https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevorn.../#7838212064c2
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That's some crazy manure. If ya get my drift? Isn't that from the movie Idiocracy? by the maker of Beavis and Butt-Head? It was a funny movie.

I suppose idiocracy is a shot at Maxine. And you took a shot a bro Drake.

Hey, two birdies with one stone -- mother Mary - ye without sin. Two for two.

You could have at least told us where bro Drake related Tomes to Waters. I'd like to see his reasoning on that. I don't know, but is he a deplorable?
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