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[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

Got it. He sent them out by denominational preference?

Naw ... they were quarantined for playing stringed instruments.

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Naw ... they were quarantined for playing stringed instruments.

It is of note that Christ did not choose any musicians to be his disciples.

[aron]

A house divided was in reference to casting out demons. If you cast out Christian's who are not subservient to a publishing house in Anaheim California (note that RK & BP tolerate no deviance from the party line) then you are divided. If you say, "Everybody but us is divided" then you have made yourself the most divided.

A house with many rooms has separate quarters but they are connected. They are not hermetically sealed.

"Oh no" says the one who wants to be hermetically sealed. "Now you are talking ecumenism". And with such words they build walls and hide.

[aron]

"Let us go with him, outside the camp" - the camp is an artificial construction to keep out the dark. Outside the camp, a pure light shines which overcomes the dark. The whole world will be illuminated by its glory. (Isa 60:19; Rev 21:23)

The LC is a camp just like the SDA, JW and LDS. Maybe a little better but not much. It is a self- made prison. "If every one was just like me, there could be peace."

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by aron

A house divided was in reference to casting out demons. If you cast out Christian's who are not subservient to a publishing house in Anaheim California (note that RK & BP tolerate no deviance from the party line) then you are divided. If you say, "Everybody but us is divided" then you have made yourself the most divided.

A house with many rooms has separate quarters but they are connected. They are not hermetically sealed.

"Oh no" says the one who wants to be hermetically sealed. "Now you are talking ecumenism". And with such words they build walls and hide.

Christianity is divided and has been since the Reformation, and before that, the East-West schism. Let's not pretend it isn't. Let's not forget that fact, and as Protestants, not forget that division is the reason we're not all still saying our Hail Mary's today. So because of these facts don't think you can take some sort of high moral ground about us being the "most divided" compared to the thousands of denominations in existence today because of the division that Luther and others caused. You can't re-write history, and pretend that thousands of denominations existing today are somehow closer to unity than the single greatest division that Luther caused, or, claim that those who leave or wish to leave that system of thousands of denominations are somehow "more divided" than those who don't.

[aron]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

You can't re-write history or, claim that those who leave or wish to leave that system of thousands of denominations are somehow "more divided" than those who don't.

If the Protestants are a division then why do you sing their songs? You are trying to have it both ways.

The LC treads on the legitimacy of the Protestants in order to gain converts, then rejects the Protestants as an illigitimate division. Only naive rubes will fall for this trick; such was I, once.

"Everyone but us is a division" is just building your own personal wall. Who is trying to re-write history, here? And when you talk of history, you'd do well to remember the rejection of the Jews, and Chalcedon. The problem is much deeper than you realise. Unless you grasp the problem you can't see the solution.

The gospel is simple and profound. God raised Jesus on the third day. Either you believe or you don't. There is no reason to build walls.

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by aron

If the Protestants are a division then why do you sing their songs? You are trying to have it both ways.

Because the songs are right or biblical, not because the songs are Protestant.

[aron]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

Because the songs are right or biblical, not because the songs are Protestant.

This is wallowing in the swamp of Lee's subjectivism. Only Jesus Christ meets the standard. To parse others with too fine a comb is to invite judgment. Either the Protestants are "right" and "proper" or they are not.

I note that the Mormons consider Protestant songs as "right" and "proper", and probably for the same reason - an inferred patina of legitimacy.

And biblical - ha. Southern USA snake handlers are also biblical.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by aron

..... then rejects the Protestants as an illigitimate division.

Aron,

I think you mean a legitimate division. We believe Protestantism is a legitimate and bonafide division therefore we reject it. Or we consider denominating the Body of Christ illegitimate so we reject it. Either of those would be true.

Drake

[aron]

Originally Posted by Drake

Aron,

I think you mean a legitimate division. We believe Protestantism is a legitimate and bonafide division.

Another subjectivist LC doozey - "legitimate" is whatever Lee wanted it to be.

With God there is no shadow cast by turning. The ministry of LSM is nothing but shadows and turnings. Maybe you don't get this, but most others do.

Only Jesus is legitimate. The ones who judge all others as deficient, who say "We're rich and need nothing" are far from the Way.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

Christianity is divided and has been since the Reformation, and before that, the East-West schism. Let's not pretend it isn't. Let's not forget that fact, and as Protestants, not forget that division is the reason we're not all still saying our Hail Mary's today. So because of these facts don't think you can take some sort of high moral ground about us being the "most divided" compared to the thousands of denominations in existence today because of the division that Luther and others caused. You can't re-write history, and pretend that thousands of denominations existing today are somehow closer to unity than the single greatest division that Luther caused, or, claim that those who leave or wish to leave that system of thousands of denominations are somehow "more divided" than those who don't.

And you think yours are not in division?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

It is of note that Christ did not choose any musicians to be his disciples.

How would you know?

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by Ohio

How would you know?

Because Scripture states the apostles were unlearned men. Also, because the bible don't say so.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

Because Scripture states the apostles were unlearned men. Also, because the bible don't say so.

No it does not.

Just another one of your gross extrapolations.

Paul was one of the most "learned" men of the 1st century.

The Bible never tells us about your "ground" of oneness or the "minister of the age," but that never stopped you from believing it.

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by Ohio

No it does not.

Just another one of your gross extrapolations.

Paul was one of the most "learned" men of the 1st century.

The Bible never tells us about your "ground" of oneness or the "minister of the age," but that never stopped you from believing it.

I was thinking of the 12 disciples primarily. There's no mention of their musical ability.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

I was thinking of the 12 disciples primarily. There's no mention of their musical ability.

At the Last Supper they all sang a hymn. Because there is no mention of instruments, you ASSUME that none of them EVER used an instrument to sing or worship God. Do you realize that some of the Psalms actually give instruction for instruments? Surely the Jewish church would know this. Paul even instructed the Gentile churches to be filled in Spirit singing and Psalming.